Shoulders and Chest ???

T-DOG · #1 05-20-2009, 01:46 PM

What's everyones opinion on working these to groups in the same day???

Good or bad???

klosey · #2 05-20-2009, 01:57 PM

NOMINAL no better or worse then working triceps with chest, alot of pushing exercises like bench press pre fatique the front delts anyway

keeptruckin · #3 05-20-2009, 01:59 PM

I personally don't like it. I'm sure there are those who swear by it. The problem as I see it is that you are training two motions that are perpendicular to each other (or at least at a significant angle to each other if you are doing de/in-clines). This seems like an injury recipe to me.

I am a huge proponent of the push/pull workouts together that occur in the same plane of motion (i.e. OHDBP + Lat Pulldown or BP + Bent Over Rows).

Also, that's a LOT of pressing at one time. It seems like it could run the risk of a local window of "press overtraining."

That being said, I might go so far as inclines plus shoulders, but that's about as far as I'm willing to go with it.

miker44 · #4 05-20-2009, 04:15 PM

i have trained chest and shoulders in the same day in the past and i like the split on paper but feel that it wares too much on my shoulder joints.

ASINES · #5 05-20-2009, 04:50 PM

I've trained chest & shoulders (and triceps and back) on the same day for several years now. I think it works great myself.

spider-man · #6 05-20-2009, 06:06 PM

[quote=keeptruckin;886772] This seems like an injury recipe to me.

[quote]

Why?

The only time i would imagine it could hurt you is if you never worked opposing muscles groups.

chest, back, shoulders is a great combo i think...

rootb33r · #7 05-20-2009, 06:35 PM

I do one chest day, one shoulder day, and then one combined day (concentrate on power/strength, not hypertrophy). For instance, on my combined day I'll do incline BP, clean & presses, kettlebell one-arm presses.

keeptruckin · #8 05-20-2009, 07:27 PM

[quote=spider-man;886795][quote=keeptruckin;886772] This seems like an injury recipe to me.

Quote:

Why?

The only time i would imagine it could hurt you is if you never worked opposing muscles groups.

chest, back, shoulders is a great combo i think...

I'm thinking the exhaustion from the one compromises the stability of the other and vice-versa. In other words, when you do BP, stabilizers that would otherwise be fresher, got exhaused from doing shoulder presses.

I will say, in addition to my other compromise, that I could go for doing light shoulders after chest (that, or light chest after shoulders).

BigBadRick · #9 05-20-2009, 08:05 PM

[quote=keeptruckin;886803][quote=spider-man;886795]

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Originally Posted by keeptruckin

This seems like an injury recipe to me.

I'm thinking the exhaustion from the one compromises the stability of the other and vice-versa. In other words, when you do BP, stabilizers that would otherwise be fresher, got exhaused from doing shoulder presses.

I will say, in addition to my other compromise, that I could go for doing light shoulders after chest (that, or light chest after shoulders).

I agree. I rather separate them, which I do, so I can lift as heavy as possible for each exercise.

spider-man · #10 05-20-2009, 08:44 PM

[quote=keeptruckin;886803][quote=spider-man;886795]

Quote:

Originally Posted by keeptruckin

This seems like an injury recipe to me.

I'm thinking the exhaustion from the one compromises the stability of the other and vice-versa. In other words, when you do BP, stabilizers that would otherwise be fresher, got exhaused from doing shoulder presses.

I will say, in addition to my other compromise, that I could go for doing light shoulders after chest (that, or light chest after shoulders).

oh ok. I understand your logic.

Nothing personal, i just don't think it holds any water.

I have never seen or heard of anyone injure themselves while keeping form....