Muscular Guys Have Been Weeded Out By Evolution

[rootb33r]

Originally Posted by GonnaGetBig

And really if it were a survival of the fittest thing wouldn’t strength play a huge advantage?

Evolution is about intelligence and physical make-up (not just strength). For example, we as humans developed opposed thumbs because that's what let us survive as omnivores the most efficient way. Strength was only useful to an extent-- I'm sure there have existed humans that were much stronger than anyone today, but there was no evolutionary need for these people. They had no advantage by being significantly stronger; all we needed to survive was hunting and gathering intelligence (for purposes of sustenance), and the desire to procreate.

There exists a wide array of body types (everything from metabolism speed to musculature to skin color) in the world today because these things mattered the least in procreation and survival, therefore they haven't been "weeded out" (yet?).

[GonnaGetBig]

Originally Posted by rootb33r

Evolution is about intelligence and physical make-up (not just strength). For example, we as humans developed opposed thumbs because that's what let us survive as omnivores the most efficient way. Strength was only useful to an extent-- I'm sure there have existed humans that were much stronger than anyone today, but there was no evolutionary need for these people. They had no advantage by being significantly stronger; all we needed to survive was hunting and gathering intelligence (for purposes of sustenance), and the desire to procreate.

There exists a wide array of body types (everything from metabolism speed to musculature to skin color) in the world today because these things mattered the least in procreation and survival, therefore they haven't been "weeded out" (yet?).

Again I feel like they just want to give credit to evolution for something it's not responsible for. I like science but I have gotten where I just don’t jump on the wagon when it comes to evolution because I don’t think they are unbiased enough with the research. And to me this article is really reaching to find a connection between evolution and a lower population of muscular people.

Also are we really seeing a reduction in large or muscular people? I sure don’t see it but I’m curious if there is any proof of that. I mean people in general are a lot larger than they were even 50 years ago I think. I’m sure it has to do with diet and the fact that food is very abundant these days. But whatever the reason I just don’t see a reduction in size in people today…if anything I think we have gotten considerably larger in every way.

Now I’m not trying to completely discredit evolution here….I’m just not sold on this particular topic I guess.

I personally think it’s fairly obvious that in humans microevolution exist but I’m not going along with the whole “we came from monkeys” stuff.

[rogjodoin]

Originally Posted by GonnaGetBig

I personally think it’s fairly obvious that in humans microevolution exist but I’m not going along with the whole “we came from monkeys” stuff.

Duh! how come the monkeys aren't still evolving?
Gen. 1:25
"And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and the cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth on the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good."

[Venom]

Again I feel like they just want to give credit to evolution for something it's not responsible for. I like science but I have gotten where I just don’t jump on the wagon when it comes to evolution because I don’t think they are unbiased enough with the research. And to me this article is really reaching to find a connection between evolution and a lower population of muscular people.

Natural selection is observable and can be seen today. So I don't really have a problem with the general assertion of the article; I just think it is baseless. This topic does not really relate to ape to man evolution, though.

[GonnaGetBig]

Originally Posted by Venom

So I don't really have a problem with the general assertion of the article; I just think it is baseless. This topic does not really relate to ape to man evolution, though.

Well that's my point though. I think it's reaching for a connection that isn't really shown in his research. Once again..."it's got to be evolution"...or really it's that he WANTS it to be evolution.

[Wizard24]

I’ve also got to balk at the premise of this article. If muscle growth through increased testosterone lowers the immune system, then what is the effect of being overweight? Being obese is even more harmful to the immune system than being muscular, yet 50% of US adults are overweight or obese and this number continues to rise. This flies in direct contradiction to the evolutionary theory of “survival of the fittest”. People are fatter and less muscular now because they, for whatever reason, are choosing to be this way. Saying it is because of evolution just takes this responsibility away from the individual in my opinion.

[rogjodoin]

Originally Posted by Wizard24

I’ve also got to balk at the premise of this article. If muscle growth through increased testosterone lowers the immune system, then what is the effect of being overweight? Being obese is even more harmful to the immune system than being muscular, yet 50% of US adults are overweight or obese and this number continues to rise. This flies in direct contradiction to the evolutionary theory of “survival of the fittest”. People are fatter and less muscular now because they, for whatever reason, are choosing to be this way. Saying it is because of evolution just takes this responsibility away from the individual in my opinion.

Its like typical. We as humans love to play the blame game. Of course, eating wrong is not hard these days with all the misunderstood ingredients in our food. People need to become aware of what they are injesting. But, then again, most don't care. End the SAD(standard American diet)!

[rootb33r]

Originally Posted by rogjodoin

Duh! how come the monkeys aren't still evolving?

Ignorant statement #34,959,402,836,754 made by creationists. Typically followed by scripture of God creating the world.

Too predictable, man

Seriously though, this article IS claiming micro-evolution. It's claiming that within the homosapien population as we know it today, it has evolved such that it makes THEORETICAL sense.

[rogjodoin]

[quote=rootb33r;889001]Ignorant statement #34,959,402,836,754 made by creationists. Typically followed by scripture of God creating the world.

Too predictable, man



Well, do you have a logical answer to my question? How is this an ignorant statement when the evolutionist are too ignorant to answer it? It is so logical and makes so much sense. Yet those who rebel against God and His Holy scripture will not even use creation as a possibility of origin. They totally dismiss it because it will prove itself correct. Of course, an atheist cant be proven wrong, that would injure his pride!

Please don't misunderstand me. I am not arguing against you, I just know beyond measure that God does exsist and the Bible is accurate. This has been revealed to me by God's Holy spirit. Ya, you may think thats weird, but unless you experiance it, you will never understand it. So I share the truth with all I can because I am passionate about it. The Bible says that God has put it in the heart of all men to know that He exsist. so therefore, we either choose to believe or we rebel against Him.

I choose to bow before Him now rather than after its too late!

[rootb33r]

Originally Posted by rogjodoin

Well, do you have a logical answer to my question? How is this an ignorant statement when the evolutionist are too ignorant to answer it? It is so logical and makes so much sense. Yet those who rebel against God and His Holy scripture will not even use creation as a possibility of origin. They totally dismiss it because it will prove itself correct. Of course, an atheist cant be proven wrong, that would injure his pride!

Please don't misunderstand me. I am not arguing against you, I just know beyond measure that God does exsist and the Bible is accurate. This has been revealed to me by God's Holy spirit. Ya, you may think thats weird, but unless you experiance it, you will never understand it. So I share the truth with all I can because I am passionate about it. The Bible says that God has put it in the heart of all men to know that He exsist. so therefore, we either choose to believe or we rebel against Him.

I choose to bow before Him now rather than after its too late!

The logical answer is that the evolution of ape into human took millions of years. We haven't been competent or coherent as a human race for long enough to witness the evolution of apes further. Besides, there are other exogenous factors at play which will change the previous evolutionary timeline; it won't happen again in the same fashion. Humans are a species of ape that has branched out so far that all intermediaries have been "Darwinised," for lack of a better phrase.

I actually love to be proven wrong because that is the most efficient way of learning. You never forget when you're wrong.

No offense (seriously, I'm not just ubiquitously saying that), but the only proof your people have is a bunch of nut-jobs running around claiming personal visits from one of the trinity.

I honestly don't understand how people can believe in religion (Christianity, yes, but this also applies to any religion). It seriously BOGGLES my mind.