HOT TUBS and HEAT SHOCK

[President Wilson]

Originally Posted by klosey

now if this can help muscle growth, would facia streching or general stretching (full muscle contraction) simulate the same anabolic effects as lifting but without the muscle breakdown?

I think that fascia stretching is causing muscle growth and changes in strength by at least two mechanisms.

1. By actually causing muscle damage similar to an eccentric contraction you are pulling cross bridges out of place

2. possibly by providing more room for growth

So it should stimulate changes in protein breakdown to, but with amino acids and the stretching induced changes in protein synthesis overall protein balance should be positive

[klosey]

Originally Posted by President Wilson

I think that fascia stretching is causing muscle growth and changes in strength by at least two mechanisms.

1. By actually causing muscle damage similar to an eccentric contraction you are pulling cross bridges out of place

2. possibly by providing more room for growth

So it should stimulate changes in protein breakdown to, but with amino acids and the stretching induced changes in protein synthesis overall protein balance should be positive

interesting, then this would be benifical on non training days

[will-work4andro]

Originally Posted by President Wilson

Off days would be great. One thing i am thinking is when proteins are most susceptable to unnecessary breakdown. After exercise just by the nature of the acidic environment proteins which were not damaged may be unfolded and then tagged by the Ubiquitin system and degraded unnecessarily. Since heat shock proteins refold proteins it may be advantageous to include HOT baths on days where you really obliterate your muscles to the point where you know you shocked them to the point where you r going to have a hard time moving the trained body part the next day. Its in these situations where I think you may be in danger to degrade proteins unnecessarily. So during those time, and on off days, deloading, and injury would be perfect

I'm also curious if the frequency of this should increase during periods of dieting? What do you think? It seems that it may have a sparing effect like HMB

i agree with you...i'm going to respond to this by just writing my thoughts...lol...sorry if this is confusing, but this makes sense to me answering like this

1)HSP72 has been shown to help combat atrophy

2)HSP72 has been shown to prevent protein degradation during reduced contractility

3)HSP's are activated with exercise...even occlusion activates HSP's

4)Research has shown that when patients sat in a hottub, it improved glycemia, by unknown mechanisms...i postulate here that it may very well be through HSP72

5)if a hottub does in fact increase HSP72, it could help during periods of inactivity and even in metabolism

6)HSP72 overexpresion has been linked with an increased energy expenditure because HSP72 overexpresion in skeletal muscle prevents high fat-feeding induced increases in bodyweight and fat pad weight. this was attributed to increased EE because the prevention was not related to hypophagia, because both groups consumed the same amount of food

[President Wilson]

6)HSP72 overexpresion has been linked with an increased energy expenditure because HSP72 overexpresion in skeletal muscle prevents high fat-feeding induced increases in bodyweight and fat pad weight. this was attributed to increased EE because the prevention was not related to hypophagia, because both groups consumed the same amount of food

Wow! So this may have fat metabolizing effects! Andro you are off the hook, this is what abc is all about, the great minds comming together to form a bodybuilding think tank!

[Ordo Ab Chao]

Originally Posted by will-work4andro

4)Research has shown that when patients sat in a hottub, it improved glycemia, by unknown mechanisms...i postulate here that it may very well be through HSP72

did the study state for how long and often they used the hot tub? Were they submerged to the shoulders/necks or just to their stomachs/chests?

[will-work4andro]

Originally Posted by Ordo Ab Chao

did the study state for how long and often they used the hot tub? Were they submerged to the shoulders/necks or just to their stomachs/chests?

everything submerged but head...30 minutes a day/6 days a week

[Ordo Ab Chao]

Originally Posted by will-work4andro

everything submerged but head...30 minutes a day/6 days a week

good stuff. great analysis man. I'm going to give this a try following active recovery on my rest days.

EDIT: I noticed in your log you are doing 20 min. sessions. Is this because you are doing them following your lifting sessions, i.e. your body temp is already up?

[fightbackhxc21]

sounds sweet, i dont get it tho. my brain is just fried from reading that haha. ill try it

[Ordo Ab Chao]

while we are on the subject, apparently hypoxia can cause heat shock protein expression. it seems blood occlusion training may have more benefits to it than just GH response.

[will-work4andro]

Originally Posted by Ordo Ab Chao

while we are on the subject, apparently hypoxia can cause heat shock protein expression. it seems blood occlusion training may have more benefits to it than just GH response.

you are exactly right...that's why they believe it helps slow atrophy when occlusion is applied in ACL injuries.