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Lightbulb Genesis Chapter 1 vs 1-5

Here is the rest of Chapter 1 so you see the full picture. With discussion comments added for the chapters as we go.

1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

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Obviously this one is pretty self-explanatory! But is it really? Once you look close at what is stated then you realize that God created the Heaven and the Earth and that’s it. There is no light, no water, no form and no shape. He had not placed the waters or the lights or the darkness. He made what is matter...he created matter so later in this chapter he could form it to create what we see today. This is my opinion and in depth outside of the box translation of Genesis Chapter 1 verse 1.
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I sit and come to know that GOD knew what he had planned for the future. He set up the plan so that the plan we see is exactly what he had in mind. The spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."
Who was that spirit or was it the Holy Spirit that was established by GOD to come be our aid and teacher?
I think it was the Holy Spirit that we know today. Maybe you all have something different. I believe the big bang might be true to somewhat. When God spoke it there was a big bang from his voice so the big bang could be possible.
*I like the way you’re thinking outside the box. That’s what I want the point of this to be. Not to go into it with a closed opinion but an open mind and just look at what it says in its entirety. It is enlightening to me just to ponder upon these things.*

2. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

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This one is rarely talked about in my experience and mostly because it is confusing really! The earth is without form…so maybe it is matter floating around? But it is also without void…so maybe it is a ball of gaseous matter inter-connected fulfilling its no form and no void criteria. And the darkness was upon the face of the deep…which of course makes since because no light has been created. Then something happens; one of the most important things to happen in Genesis. THE SPIRIT OF GOD MOVED UPON THE FACE OF THE WATERS…now what could this mean? Is this when the earth became snowball earth…possibly? Or maybe this is when God gave Earth its life force? Or when he molted the lava at our Earths core and began the cycle of existence we are in today? What do you think? I love VS2 it is a real mind bender.

As you can see by my discussions of the first two vs. I do not limit God to mere creationism but I give him free reign to have been the creator of evolution or whatever it is you may believe. If science has proven facts then it must be our job to figure out when God created these facts and show that the Bible coincides with science…not fights against it. God is the creator of all things including the study of science and its concepts. If the concept exists then God made it available for us to know and therefore was its inventor. Of course this is up for debate also just like anything I say or type. Brainstorming is the key to knowledge. Come and we will learn together if you wish.
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The earth being without form makes me think that the earth at this time could still be a thought in Gods' mind. I see this because of void. Void to me says still there is no earth as we know it now. The earth was created at the big bang people talk about. Which I will fill in more on later verses. Now darkness is on the face of the deep. What is the deep? Is it the depth of nothing? Could it be a place in time that is long before time started? The last thing here that I can see being of great power, is when the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. The waters are spoken of, but we never see where the waters came from. I to pray over these and maybe have better answers.
*I don’t know what the deep is. I always just think of a black hole or something. And yes the waters that God refers to come from know where. I assume they are created in vs. 1 because we go straight to water in vs. 6. As far as the spirit of God moving over the waters I will have to seek more knowledge for a better answer as well.*

3. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
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Let there be light. Now sounds simple enough but then he says he divided the light from the darkness. But then later he says this…

13. And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14. And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15. And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18. And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

So if you read carefully he created light and divided the light from the darkness and named them day and night. But later in vs. 13-18 he creates the stars, moon, sun and signs of the seasons. So we must separate the light in which God created in vs. 3-5 from what we know light comes from vs. 13-18. God didn’t create the sun in vs. 3 he created light itself!!! Then he divided the light from the darkness. So we must conclude that light exist without any stars and our sun. We are left with a question. What is the source of this light that God created? It would seem that the light God created is in itself its own source. So henceforth light as we know it can and does exist by itself and without cause because it is cause itself. We completed an entire day without the sun, moon and stars vs. 5. WOW!!! Took me a while to even attempt to understand this concept of my opinion. What do you think?
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