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Old 11-10-2012, 04:44 AM
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I never said bad technique does not happen with singles. I'm saying bad technique gets worse with touch and go reps.

Not Necessarily

You are making an assumption, a guess. Guessing means that you don't know.

Bad Technique

Part of poor technique involves fatigue. Once fatigue sets in be it in singles or reps, STOP the movement.


As I've noted, continuing to perform a movement singles or reps reinforce poor technique.

Other fact are involved in preforming a movement with poor technique.

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With singles, each rep becomes its own. You set up solely for that attempt and if you do something wrong, you are able to try and correct it on your next attempt. I bring my iPod to the gym all the time, so I'll film my first single and watch it before I attempt my second. That way I can adjust based on any mistakes I'm making. Plus singles give you more chances to practice set up which a beginner needs. Instead of doing 3 sets of 5 you can now do 5-10 sets of singles and get more chances at a perfect set up and a perfect attempt.
Singles

Singles are an effective method of performing a movement correctly in an event such as powerlifting where a 1RM is the objective.

Near Maximum Singles

The most effective method of insuring proper technique is in performing singles with near maximum 1RM percentages.

The reason for that is the muscle firing sequence is different with 70% vs 100% of 1RM.

Thus, training singles close to 1RM provide a better training effect for technique.

Singles More of A Chance of Perfection

As Vince Lombardi said, "Practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect."

That meaning that singles do not assure you of performing a perfect set.
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Once again, I never said singles should not be attempted with squats and bench press. They should and I definitely do it, especially with paused bench leading up to a meet.
Paused Bench Press Training

Most individuals Paused Bench Press Training is not optimally trained for meets. Too many individuals allow the bar to sit on the chest in training too long.

Paused Touch And Go

The focus on competition bench press training need to be to minimize the amount of time the bar is statically on the chest.

A good competition bench press training program works on timing the pause to the "Press Signal".

Great benchers preform more of a "Paused Touch and Go". The learn to anticipate "Press Signal" on second, third and any fourth attempt they might take.

Stretch Reflex

Research shows that 50% of the stretch reflex is lost in one second. In four seconds the stretch reflex is completely gone.

Thus, the less time the bar remains on your chest the more of the stretch reflex you and elicit in driving the bar off the chest.

Touch and Go Bench Press

The stretch reflex is trained with Touch and Go Benching. It is a vital part of a good bench press program.


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What I am saying is that singles for deadlift are even more important than squats or bench because it better mimics a 1RM because you don't start with the negative phase in the deadlift. With touch and go reps the saying is, "if you can do it for a single, you can do it for a triple." This is because the next reps will become easier because you are using the stretch reflex, you are bouncing off the ground and using momentum, and with the bar bending you are shortening the distance of the successive reps.
Mimic The Lift

Yes, training the deadlift with singles does mimic meet conditions.

The Stretch Reflex

Yes, bouncing the weight does elicit the stretch reflex. Training the stretch reflex in that way allows you to develop the stretch reflex and develop power.

My last post went over power.

Some of the stretch reflex deadlift "Touch and Go" training does carry over to the deadlift, providing you elicit the response before the pulls.

The Bar Bending

The bar bending shortening the distance of your pull. It does NOT bend that much, hoperbolic statement.

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But I'm sure most coaches would recommend rack pulls over touch and go reps for a lockout weakness because it is more specific to what your goal is and, once again, does not interfere with the regular deadlift motor patterns
Most Coaches

Where is the data that support the statement of that "Most coaches recommend rack pulls"?

That is a guess on your part.

Variable Resistance Deadlift Training

A more effective method would be to use/attaches bands and/or chains when performing deadlifts.

That because the Deadlift has an "Ascending Strength Curve". Thus, the bands and/or chains would allow you to perform a "Regular Deadlift" and overload the movement at the stronger part of the movement.

Touch And Go Deadlifts

Touch and Go Deadlifts allow you overload the upper end of the Ascending Deadlift Strength Curve in a similar way that bands and/or chain do.


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Also, I have no proof to back this claim up but I don't think touch and go reps are as safe. When I see people banging the bar off the ground I think, "where is that force going?" Well I would think first it pounds into your wrist, which can't be good, then travels up your arms and into your spine which can't be good either.
No Proof

That is because there is no proof.

Where is the Force Going?

The majority of the force is going into the floor.

Spine Loading

The squat causes more spinal loading than Deadlifting or Touch and Go Deadlifts.

The amount of spine loading that occurs with Box Squats is off the grid.

So, the take home message is if you have any concerns with spine loading...Don't Squat!

Dr Fred Hatfield

Hatfield adovcates Touch and Go Deadlift Training in his book, Power: A Scientific Approach, a great strength training book.

Hatfield was one of the lightest men to squat over 1,000 lbs (1014 lb @252 lbs). Hatfield is also renound for his expertise on strength training.

Charles Staley (Strength Coach)

Staley has found Stiff Leg (Slight Knee Bend) is a very effective method of training the hamstrings. Staley has an online article on it.

My Experience

As someone who trained for decades with Touch and Go Deadlifts, I can assure you are no more unsafe than singles when performed correctly.

"I think..."

The information you have is based on your conclusion rather than experience.

The only way to know if something works or doesn't is practical experience, you've go to try it.

It Doesn't Work

The reason many things don't work is that individuals write and/or perform the program incorrectly.

As the saying goes, "Garbage in, garbage out".

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