they are nowhere near as effective as cleans but i will have to use them as cleans are banned in my gym, due to an incident several years ago when someone dropped the weight doing cleans and it went through the floor and down into a busy shop below. (whether this actually happened or is just an excuse to not buy bumper plates is a mystery)
im not throwing in the dips or chins until i feel i need to, only other thing i have considered is alternating rows with chins week for week.
If you can do cleans definately do them.
Oh do you ever go on msn using your hotmail account?
Do or do not, there is no try.