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Old 07-29-2006, 03:42 AM
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Default Re: Should We Starve Ourselves for 8 Hours Everyday?!?

Great insight guys. Very helpful. [img]/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

So I guess there are a couple of things we need to determine here:

1. Does waking up in the middle of the night to eat hinder your sleep
2. Does it interfere with circadium rythms and stages of sleep like REM
3. Does a protein shake in the middle of the night enhance anabolism significantly?

Here is my opinion.

First, I have tried this. I have been having about 1 scoop of pro-score, 1 gram of HMB, 5 grams of glutamine, and 1 scoop of the amino acid shooter in the middle of the night.


I am not a sleep expert. But, from my experience, as with several others that posted, this has not disturbed my sleep at all.

I always get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom like others anyway.

However, I do like the idea of allowing this to wake you up, rather than an alarm clock. That would be interesting to test.

But all I do, is put my timer on for 3 hours after I go to sleep, wake up, down my shake, go to the bathroom, and that gives me 4-5 hours more to go back to sleep. So far, I have not had any problems with sleep by doing this. However, some might. It would be an interesting experiment to examine. You could take 50 people and do this, and see how many report sleeping problems.


Again, this is not my expertise. Old school has done a ton of research on this, however. I would really like to hear his insight.

Here is a quote from one of his great z-factor articles,

Q. 14. Is it possible to manipulate the sleep cycle in such a way that I can get more SWS and cut out REM sleep?

A. Hardcore question bro!

Donít make any mistake about it! You need REM sleep!

It is primarily responsible for restoring mental properties, and being severely deprived of it can actually kill you! (OK, thatís in the extreme case! LOL)

REM sleep is very vital to bodybuilders, and not getting enough will just create a sleep debt. So, if you fragment your sleep you will just slip into REM sleep faster the next time you crash. Just remember, you canít cheat the sleep cycle! Yeah, youíll go through the initial sleep stages again, but the time will be harshly shortened and youíll go into REM very quickly after you fall asleep and stay in that particular stage longer. You will complete it eventually, but interrupting sleep will only delay it, and more than likely make you drowsy all day.

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This quote from his article, leads me to believe this method should not interfere with REM sleep.


Does a protein shake in the middle of the night increase anabolism? And, does not eating for 8 hours during sleep actually make you anabolic?

The President has been doing a ton of research on this; hopefully, he will be able to comment on this soon. But he has found some insane support for this.

He said he read some studies that protein synthesis is decreased 30-50% in the middle of the night! And that this was highly related to leucine depletion.

But guess what? They infused BCAAís in the middle of the night, and this solved the problem, maintaining growth in the middle of the night. [img]/forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

So from this, I think there definitely is a benefit to having some protein in the middle of the night. I think adding some EPA and DHA may be a good idea, too.

This is also consistent with our research on protein. Prez and I found that protein synthesis can be increased just as effectively 1-2 hours after a meal. So it would make sense that you could spike protein synthesis again in the middle of the night.

So I think there are benefits to this.

The potential side effect would be losing sleep.

So perhaps you should try it for yourself for a week, and see if it works. If you have a hard time sleeping, or notice you feel more drowsy, then try to make some adjustments. But if it still does not work, then it would probably be better not to do this.
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