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Venom 10-19-2007 09:28 PM

An Example of the Undermining Effects of Rewards on IM
 
The number one topic I studied during my masters degree in Sport Psychology was the effects of rewards on intrinsic motivation. You can read my articles on this subject under anatomy - psychology.

One of the main reasons I love following sports, is because I am constantly able to apply psychology principles I have learned to explain why people act, perform, and behave certain ways.

So if you guys have been monitoring the situation with the Yankees and Joe Torre. They recently offered him a contract. It was 2 million dollar pay cut, and incentive laden. Essentially, he had to go to the world series to get 3 million, and another year on his contract. Here was the Yankees rational for doing this:

"Under this offer, he would continue to be the highest-paid manager in major league baseball," team president Randy Levine said. "We thought that we need to go to a performance-based model, having nothing to do with Joe Torre's character, integrity or ability. We just think it's important to motivate people."

And here is where they made their mistake.

Essentially they went with the simplistic model of:

1 (intrinsic movitaion) + 1 (extrinsic motivation - performance contigent reward) = 2 more motivation.

But results show this is absolutely false.

If someone is intrinsically motivated to do something, which Joe Torre obviously is. Then the worst thing you can do to that individual is give them performance contingent rewards for doing their job. I am not going to go in detail; just read my articles if you want to learn why.

So I talked to Jake about this yesterday when this went down. And here is what Torre said today about why he declined the offer:

"I just felt the contract offer, the terms of the contract, were probably the thing I had the toughest time with -- the one year for one thing, the incentives for another thing," Torre said of his reasons for declining the offer. "I've been there 12 years and I didn't think motivation was needed."


You'd think that the richest team in baseball would have enough knowledge not to make such a bad move. If they actually were trying to motivate people, you'd think they would consult a psychologist. And if they did, they would have been told what hundreds of experiments have shown for over 3 decades now.

Adam Knowlden 10-21-2007 08:23 PM

Re: An Example of the Undermining Effects of Rewards on IM
 
Sounds like a journal article! [img]/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

rickck48 10-29-2007 07:22 PM

Re: An Example of the Undermining Effects of Rewards on IM
 
Is this anything like a opposite reaction makes a different reaction? I'm lost,,,wow! [img]/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Venom 10-29-2007 09:12 PM

Re: An Example of the Undermining Effects of Rewards on IM
 
Its really not a difficult concept - that is why I love it so much. There are literally 4 things to memorize, and you can make predictions on so many different scenarios. Just check out my article - there are pictures and everything lol.

I taught a class on this once, and after 30 minutes of explaining, I asked the students to divide up into groups and make hypothesis on the effects of various scenarios on IM. They all made perfect predictions, according to this theory.

rickck48 10-31-2007 09:45 PM

Re: An Example of the Undermining Effects of Rewards on IM
 
I look forward to reading and studying this if you make a journal out of it! Sounds great and simple, as you explained it, but stil very curious. thanks for the time to share this with us. [img]/forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Venom 11-01-2007 12:35 AM

Re: An Example of the Undermining Effects of Rewards on IM
 
[ QUOTE ]
if you make a journal out of it!

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I did in JHR. Take a look.

Qester 01-07-2008 10:42 PM

Re: An Example of the Undermining Effects of Rewards on IM
 
It may not have been obvious to them that Joe Torre was intrinsically motivated. I could see how it would be very easy to confuse an external mode of motivation (such as a large salary increase in the millions of dollars per year) for an internal mode of motivation. It may have been the Yankees belief that Joe was not intrinisically motivated, and if this was the case a performance increase would be expected.

klosey 02-08-2008 03:55 PM

Re: An Example of the Undermining Effects of Rewards on IM
 
i could of understood saying we'll give you a million on top of current rate as an insentive but cutting his wage seems like cutting own nose off to spite face


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