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matpal
02-18-2009, 06:55 PM
Trinitine?

Possibly the greatest Creatine advancement since regular MCC??

Since its rapid rise in popularity in the 1990s, consumers and health enthusiasts alike have marveled at the wonders of creatine. Championed as the best-studied sports supplement ingredient, its reputation has vast amounts of support. However, this research continues to center on creatine monohydrate while neglecting various postulated creatine salts, which may hold additional ergogenic benefit.

One such salt, Magnesium Creatine Chelate (MCC), introduced to the industry by Albion Labs?, has shown such promise while many of the alternative salts lack research support. Still, MCC alone is not without its own potential flaws that could render it less efficacious than it could be. As a result, the collective proposal of three creatine chelate salts holds potential to revolutionize a concept that will propel it to the forefront of the sports supplement industry.

Magnesium Creatine Chelate (MCC)

The first of three components to the Trinitine? Complex, Magnesium Creatine Chelate (MCC) has been show in studies to improve exercise performance and allows athletes to reach exhaustion later in their exercise routine. This patented ingredient by Albion Labs is highly bioavailable and offers protection from the digestive tract. Protection from destruction in the digestive tract is crucial because it will make more creatine available for absorption in the body.

Eight percent of MCC is elemental magnesium. Magnesium is a macromineral that has many synergistic effects with creatine. In fact, ATP is actually found in the muscle cells bound to magnesium for stability. Taken on its own, magnesium has been shown to enhance strength and energy levels. It is intimately involved in the energy (Kreb?s) cycle and has cardio-protective effects as well.

Creatine monohydrate has been shown to be very effective in hundreds of studies; however some users experience stomach discomfort due to lower absorption rate and breakdown into its by-product creatinine in the stomach. By creating a creatine-magnesium chelate, creatine can be protected from the harsh environment of the stomach acid and this chelate can help prevent breakdown. It can also help enhance absorption of creatine and decrease stomach discomfort that many creatine users (and their friends) can appreciate. This chelation provides a highly bioavailable form of creatine and magnesium.

Initial research shows MCC is better absorbed and tolerated than traditional creatine monohydrate supporting more explosive gains in muscle size, strength, and endurance. Further still, when compared with creatine monohydrate groups and various magnesium salts, you also get significant increased levels of absorption with the MCC than either component alone. As a result, you harness the ergogenic power of both creatine and magnesium:


Supercharging strength and power output
Prolonging endurance activity
Speeding muscle recovery
Reducing fatigue
Increasing muscle size and volumization
Enhancing ATP preservation and recovery
Maximizing creatine storage and uptake into muscle


It also mixes well in water. There have been no side effects shown with this compound at the recommended doses and it shows excellent promise for the future of creatine.

Still, there is one potential consideration that must be considered with various ions added into the equation. A potential offset of the homeostatic mechanisms will render the entire process useless if taken out of significant proportion. If magnesium concentration is higher than that of ATP, magnesium inhibited the ATPase and simultaneously stimulated the phosphatase. Increasing the concentration of magnesium directly causes a change in the conformation of the enzyme which favors ATPase activity to one which favors phosphatase activity.


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The potential remedy to this potential downfall lies in a sodium and potassium ratio that would offset potential inactivation of the ATPase. Enter KCC and NaCC?

Potassium Creatine Chelate (KCC) and Sodium Creatine Chelate (NaCC)

Primary active transport carriers are often referred to as pumps. Although some of these carriers transport only one molecule or ion at a time, others exchange one molecule or ion for another. The most important of this latter type of carrier is the Na+/K+-ATPase or pump. This carrier protein, which is also an ATPase enzyme that converts ATP to ADP + Pi, actively extrudes three sodium ions (Na+) from the cell as it transports two potassium ions (K+) into the cell. The transport is energy dependent because Na+ is more highly concentrated outside the cell and K+ is more concentrated within the cell. Both ions, in other words, are moved against their concentration gradients.


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Most cells have numerous Na+/K+ pumps that are constantly active. For example, there are about 200 Na+/K+ pumps per red blood cell, about 35,000 per white blood cell, and several million within the tubules of the kidney. This represents an enormous expenditure of energy used to maintain a steep gradient of Na+ and K+ across the cell membrane. This steep gradient serves four functions:

[1] the steep Na+ gradient is used to provide energy for the coupled transport of other molecules

[2] the activity of the Na+/K+ pumps can be adjusted (primarily by thyroid hormones) to regulate resting calorie expenditure and basal metabolic rate of the body

[3] the Na+ and K+ gradients across the cell membranes of nerve and muscle cells are used to produce electrochemical impulses needed for the functions of the nerves and muscles, including the heart

[4] the active extrusion of Na+ is important for osmotic reasons controlling fluid regulation of muscle cells. If the pumps stopped functioning, the increased Na+ concentration within cells would promote the osmotic inflow of water and damage the cells.

Endogenous Regulation

The Na+/K+-ATPase is thought to be downregulated by cAMP, therefore substances causing an increase in cAMP downregulates the Na+/K+-ATPase.

In contrast, substances causing a decrease in cAMP upregulates Na+/K+-ATPase. Still, cAMP acts as a second messenger which causes an increase in protein abundance of Na+/K+-ATPase.

Exogenous Regulation

There is a Na+/Ca2+ translocator which uses the sodium gradient generated by the Na/K-ATPase to remove Ca2+ from the intracellular space and slowing down the Na+/K+-ATPase results in a predominantly higher Ca2+ level in the muscle which will eventually lead to stronger contractions.

Efficacy of NaCC/KCC

The first point of potential criticism might be why MCC was chosen rather than many of the new esterified creatines showing up on the market at a precipitous rate. The answer is simple if you are not one of the science types to care for the presentation above. Rather than being completely dictated by supply-side ingredient lists, the important take home message is that MCC is, without a doubt, a step in the right direction and the only creatine salt with any data supporting its potential superiority to creatine monohydrate ? though not without room for improvement.

Trinitine,? with its exclusive Sodium and Potassium Creatine Chelates offset this shortcoming and initial data on the combination of the three chelates in combination is nothing short of amazing magnifying all of the effects of MCC alone.

And, it doesn?t stop there. To maximize creatine uptake by creatine receptors, research has shown that insulin or sodium are required. Many supplement companies have subsequently suggested taking creatine with copious tallies of fast-acting carbohydrates such as simple sugars to boost insulin levels and therefore maximize creatine uptake by muscle cells.

Unfortunately, this protocol sacrifices body composition goals of a nation where over two-thirds do NOT handle carbohydrates well and while taking them pre-workout in any significant quantity required to do this, you set-up a hormonal prescription that will not agree with favorable body composition change.


Decreased GH and subsequently IGF-1
Decreased catecholamines (epinephrine, norepinephrine, dopamine)
Decreases insulin-sensitivity for anabolic priming post-workout
Does NOT allow for appropriate glycogen-depletion states


Not to mention, carbohydrates are very cheap and unnecessary despite ad proclamation to the contrary. Sodium actually trumps carbohydrates in the creatine uptake department by helping keep the amount of creatine receptors maximized which is the key to continued creatine efficacy over the long-haul.

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matpal
02-18-2009, 06:55 PM
If NaCC was to be used to get appropriate transport, KCC also has rationale here maintaining the proper intracellular and extracellular levels of sodium and potassium while continuing to drive membrane pumps. This, in turn is useful in maintaining optimal sodium-dependent creatine uptake by creatine receptors in muscle cells.
The sodium and potassium creatine chelates specific to Trinitine? have carefully been dosed to not only drive the Na+/K+-ATPase as already discussed, but to remedy a potential short-coming of MCC alone.

So there you have it. Trinitine stands as the most scientifically advanced creatine complex ever devised. We do not have to crudley market this with steoird-like names or steroid-like claims like other, purely non-sense companies and their products. Trintine will speak for iteself. More strength, more muscle, more endurance, better recovery than regular creatine monohydrate could ever accomplish. Developed by a Clinical Professional and a medical doctor. Trinitine is game over for yesterday?s ineffectove, ineffecient, baseless creatine. Step up to the big leagues with Trinitine. Only from Omega Sports.

klosey
02-18-2009, 09:41 PM
to be honest many people stick with creatine mono because its cheap and proven over the years? even cce is now about same price as mono but still not as trustsed, how do the costs compare to creatine mono?

matpal
02-19-2009, 02:15 PM
MCC has been the only form shown to be superior to mono for strength and LBM under strict laboratory setting.

Combining that with the sodium and potassium completes the electrolyte cycle.

It would be like comparing water to Gatorade, essentially.

klosey
02-19-2009, 03:01 PM
MCC has been the only form shown to be superior to mono for strength and LBM under strict laboratory setting.

Combining that with the sodium and potassium completes the electrolyte cycle.

It would be like comparing water to Gatorade, essentially.

ok if all secondary ingredients are the same and the only difference is the trinitine how would this compare for price etc?

ryancostill
02-19-2009, 03:02 PM
MCC has been the only form shown to be superior to mono for strength and LBM under strict laboratory setting.



Can you provide a reference for that? I would be really interested to read more.

ryancostill
02-19-2009, 03:05 PM
I'd also be interested in reading any studies that back up this claim:

Taken on its own, magnesium has been shown to enhance strength and energy levels.

I am a fan of magnesium supplementation but I find it hard to fathom that supplementation alone with actually significantly improve strength to a point where it would be detected in a well controlled study.

matpal
02-20-2009, 02:01 PM
I'd also be interested in reading any studies that back up this claim:



I am a fan of magnesium supplementation but I find it hard to fathom that supplementation alone with actually significantly improve strength to a point where it would be detected in a well controlled study.

There is actually a good deal of literature showing magnesium to be beneficial to athletes and strength athletes.

Andorgenic (Shawn) has access to more studies, but here is some info from Albion's we sbite.

http://www.news.albionminerals.com/human-nutrition/research-notes-articles/87-sports-exercise-and-minerals

http://www.news.albionminerals.com/human-nutrition/research-notes-pdf/doc_view/322-magnesium-clinical-and-health-benefits-still-without-limits?tmpl=component&format=raw

matpal
02-20-2009, 02:02 PM
I'd also be interested in reading any studies that back up this claim:



I am a fan of magnesium supplementation but I find it hard to fathom that supplementation alone with actually significantly improve strength to a point where it would be detected in a well controlled study.


Shawn has access to the study. I'll get him to post it in this thread.

androgenic
02-22-2009, 10:57 PM
I'd also be interested in reading any studies that back up this claim:



I am a fan of magnesium supplementation but I find it hard to fathom that supplementation alone with actually significantly improve strength to a point where it would be detected in a well controlled study.

I can grab some stuff, but the links Matt posted above are pretty thorough. Magnesium has been studied extensively with cardiac rehab and cardiovascular function/performance. I find it almost surprising to discuss that point. I will grab some specific studies if needed, but the links do have a wealth of info. as it relates to the athlete.

MCC:
Metabolism. 2003 Sep;52(9):1136-40. Links
Magnesium-creatine supplementation effects on body water.

Brilla LR, Giroux MS, Taylor A, Knutzen KM.
Exercise and Sport Sciences Laboratory, Western Washington University, Bellingham, WA 98225-9067, USA.
This study evaluated magnesium-creatine (MgCre) supplementation on body water and quadriceps torque. Maltodextran (Placebo), Mg oxide plus Cre (MgO-Cre), and Mg-creatine chelate (MgC-Cre) at 800 mg Mg and 5 g Cre per day were used for 2 weeks in 35 subjects in a random assignment, blinded study. Pre-post measures were completed with bioimpedance to determine total body water (TBW), extracellular water (ECF), and intracellular water (ICF), and an isokinetic device at 180 degrees per second for knee extension peak torque (T), total work (W), and power (PWR). Body weights increased for both treatment groups, MgO-Cre Delta 0.75 kg (P <.05) and MgC-Cre Delta 0.4 kg (P =.07). Significant pre-post differences (P <.05) were noted only for MgC-Cre in ICW (26.29 v 28.01 L) and ECW (15.75 v 14.88 L). MgC-Cre had significant peak T (Nm) increase (124.5 v135.8, P <.05), while MgO-Cre (116.4 v 124.9, P =.06) and placebo (119.8 v 123.7, P =.343) did not. Both treatment groups had increased PWR (P <.05). MgC-Cre affects cellular fluid compartments. The peak torque changes were significant only in the MgC-Cre group, which had increases in ICW that may infer more muscular creatine due to its osmotic effect, and with increased cellular hydration, perhaps increased protein synthesis.

A magnesium study:
Journal of the American College of Nutrition, Vol 11, Issue 3 326-329, Copyright © 1992 by American College of Nutrition

CLINICAL TRIAL

Effect of magnesium supplementation on strength training in humans

L. R. Brilla and T. F. Haley
Exercise and Sport Science Laboratory, Western Washington University, Bellingham 98225.

This study investigated the effects of dietary magnesium (Mg) on strength development during a double-blind, 7-week strength training program in 26 untrained subjects (14 = control, C and 12 = Mg supplemented, M), 18-30 years old. Subjects' 3-day diet records were analyzed and Mg content was calculated. C received a placebo and M received a supplement (Mg oxide) to bring Mg intake, including diet, to 8 mg/kg body weight/day. Body composition was assessed with bioelectrical impedance. Pre and post quadriceps torque (T) measurements were made with an Orthotron at 120 deg/sec. Each subject performed three sets of 10 reps, leg press and leg extension, three times/week. Both groups gained strength, however, results indicated a significant (p less than 0.05) increase for the M group compared to the C group in absolute T, relative T adjusted for body weight (T/BWT), and relative T adjusted for lean body mass (T/LBM) when pre values were used as the covariate. M was consistently greater than C (T: 211 vs 174 Nm; T/BWT: 3.07 vs 2.58 Nm/kg; T/LBM: 3.84 vs 3.36 Nm/kg). Conclusion: Significant differences in T gains after strength training were demonstrated in M vs C. Mg's role may be at the ribosomal level in protein synthesis.

androgenic
02-22-2009, 11:02 PM
ok if all secondary ingredients are the same and the only difference is the trinitine how would this compare for price etc?

What exactly does this mean? There are $70 dollars of other ingredients in raw cost of bulk alone? There's no secondary ingredients. This is synergistic from top to bottom in Ultima. All ingredients are substrates meant to specifically exploit a pathway. Each ingredient is fully dosed and in its most active form. There's no herbs, no extracts...just pure, pharmaceutical grade, GMP verified ingredients that have studies backing each one.

This product is stacked and this ain't NO Xplode, this a clinically designed, life-extension, fully patented, working on studies, going to be used for clinical applications, cognitive boosting, all out performance product...bar none.

Trinitine is the icing on that cake.

Venom
02-23-2009, 02:24 AM
This product is stacked and this ain't NO Xplode, this a clinically designed, life-extension, fully patented, working on studies, going to be used for clinical applications, cognitive boosting, all out performance product...bar none.

I like the confidence...this is how omega sports roles!!:cool:

Right Hook
02-23-2009, 03:51 AM
Great information. I'll be logging this product soon enough. Interested in how it will treat me.

klosey
02-23-2009, 09:27 AM
What exactly does this mean? There are $70 dollars of other ingredients in raw cost of bulk alone? There's no secondary ingredients. This is synergistic from top to bottom in Ultima. All ingredients are substrates meant to specifically exploit a pathway. Each ingredient is fully dosed and in its most active form. There's no herbs, no extracts...just pure, pharmaceutical grade, GMP verified ingredients that have studies backing each one.

This product is stacked and this ain't NO Xplode, this a clinically designed, life-extension, fully patented, working on studies, going to be used for clinical applications, cognitive boosting, all out performance product...bar none.

Trinitine is the icing on that cake.

:rolleyes: really, i was trying to find out directly like for like costing of mono vs trin, whether it is a plausable replacement based on cost over same timescale as applicable with mono.

matpal
02-24-2009, 07:16 PM
Well, nothing can touch monohydrate as far as a cost basis, but I would put Trinitine's value on par with anything out there.

For me, I work out 3 times per week. Taking ULTIMA only on workout days allows me to get about 7 weeks out of one tub. Pretty darn good value considering everything, if you ask me. :)

klosey
02-25-2009, 08:17 AM
Well, nothing can touch monohydrate as far as a cost basis, but I would put Trinitine's value on par with anything out there.

For me, I work out 3 times per week. Taking ULTIMA only on workout days allows me to get about 7 weeks out of one tub. Pretty darn good value considering everything, if you ask me. :)

3 workouts a week - 7 weeks
6 - 3.5
12 - 1.75

****! it'd last me 8 days lol :(

matpal
02-25-2009, 06:18 PM
You're nuts! Twice a day workouts?

:D

MslAdct83
02-25-2009, 10:22 PM
Would you really need to take it before every workout on a twice-a-day routine? Also, would I do a dose of ultima with one preworkout followed by a dose of one post-workout?

matpal
02-26-2009, 01:18 AM
All we reccommend, as this has been completely sufficient so far, is to take 1/2 dose pre-workout and 1/2 dose during working out. If you choose to workout twice daily, it would NOT be neccessary to dose Ultima twice.

Furthermore, maybe 75% of users are finding that it is too strong...meaning they are opting to using 1/4 and 1/4 dose instead and are still getting really great results.

klosey
02-26-2009, 08:53 AM
You're nuts! Twice a day workouts?

:D

morning is mod weight for mass
evening i sheavy weight for strength
same bodypart in morning is hit in evening


All we reccommend, as this has been completely sufficient so far, is to take 1/2 dose pre-workout and 1/2 dose during working out. If you choose to workout twice daily, it would NOT be neccessary to dose Ultima twice.

Furthermore, maybe 75% of users are finding that it is too strong...meaning they are opting to using 1/4 and 1/4 dose instead and are still getting really great results.

hmm that would make it a little better on the consuming :D

MslAdct83
02-26-2009, 07:17 PM
Would you really need to take it before every workout on a twice-a-day routine? Also, would I do a dose of ultima with one preworkout followed by a dose of one post-workout?

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I meant a dose of 'Ultima' and 'One' preworkout and then a dose of 'One' post workout.