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androgenic
01-24-2009, 04:04 AM
This is the initial announcement by Matt Palada, CEO of Omega Sports:
What can I say, my brosciples? I am usually not one to make excuses. So I will just tell you that I got in way over my head on this one. ULTIMA was infinitely more difficult to source, formulate, flavor, and manufacturer than anything I have ever done or ever anticipated. And for being so very late on release dates and deadlines, I offer you my fullest and sincerest apologies.



It seems, even at the 11th hour, things got jumbled and misdirected and delayed. I knew these were the risks we were taking in doing something that is truly novel and revolutionary...a truly new invention of ergogenic supplementation that was not lifted from Julias Vida.

However, if given the chance to do it again, I would keep the formula and all of the challenges it presented to being manufactured exactly the same...the payoff here for supplement supremacy is simply too great. Screw all of the hardcore this, super-that, fake herbs and designer steroids. No photoshopped ads, no fake testimonials, no more lies. I promise you this is something that will expose those products for the trash they are.

In gearing up for the release of ULTIMA, I have been very busy behind the scenes giving the entire operation a face lift. A new site should be finished this week. You can view the development at http://www.omegasportssupplements.com/web//.

Also, we have updated our logo to something a little bit 'fresher'

I have also started a really unique, really cool advertising medium for ULTIMA. More info on this as soon as our first piece is finished.

"So that is all well and good and everything, but what about the stinking ULTIMA?!" you may be asking.

Oh, all right, here you go.

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Finally! The most advanced sports nutrition product ever developed is unwrapped. Powered by Trinitine, our unique and fully patented (no seriously, this is not marketing hyperbole. If you use it, we are going to kick you in the nuts and then sue you back to the stone age and then kick you in the nuts again) Creatine Complex.

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Ingredient Panel:

(Do you notice how there are no proprietary blends? Kinda nice, huh. :) )

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ULTIMA is the one. The ultimate. The most advanced, most powerful product ever released in the sports supplement industry. It is complete in every conceivable way: synergistically, scientifically, symbiotically with your biochemistry. And it is now yours.

What started out years ago as Thunder V2 has evolved light years since the initial conceptual formula. So much so the Omega Sports chose to change the product name to ULTIMA; the only title fitting for the creator and king of a completely new category of products: Sports Performance Nutrition?.

ULTIMA delivers unprecedented performance with never seen before, completely unique, patented ingredients. ULTIMA is completely based upon real science, not marketing hype. There are no herbal extracts, no mystery proprietary blends, no sacrifices, no tricks, no lies.

Simply stated, Omega Sports, partnered with Zone Halo Research has invented and patented superior ingredients for a vastly superior product. Also fully patented are our exclusive Performance Blends including Trinitine, TripHasic, CogniFive, Methyl-8-R, Tri-Lateral Bio Buffers as well as our never seen before flavoring system, Citrus Dew.**

Omega Sports ULTIMA. Try it once and you will see that nothing else compares. Expect Results!
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Keep in mind that this is a certified GMP product. Also know that just because some manufacturers are GMP compliant does not make them GMP certified. Big difference.

Well, that's great and everything, but when the heck is this thing going to be on sale?

ULTIMA will be on sale Monday, January 26th.

Shawn will be posting a very condensed write up here shortly so you all can see why these ingredients were selected and their respective amounts. Nothing here was added haphazardly or thrown in without ample thought and research. ULTIMA will be the first supplement to exploit entire metabolic pathways in your body to be the most effective sports supplement produced, period. I hope everyone now can see why this has taken so long based on the formulation. Nothing this advanced or complex has ever been attempted before. Not by a long shot. ULTIMA is the real supplement for 2009 and beyond.

androgenic
01-24-2009, 04:06 AM
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So here's the Marketing write-up with a full, multi-page scientific write-up on its way...Pharmaceutical Grade Ultima. Codename: Thunder V.2 featuring Trinitine by Omega Sports

ULTIMA Codename: Thunder V.2 is a product that almost didn't see the light of day. Research, testing, supplies, quality control standards, regulations, and sheer costs almost forced this “labor of love” out of reality and in to an imaginary bin for great concepts that never came to fruition.

ALMOST. For the Owner of Omega Sports, Matt Palada and the design team at Zone Halo Research and Medical Muscle, the more adversity they came upon, the more driven they became. THIS IS THE ESSENCE OF ULTIMA. The SPORTS NUTRITON WORLD WILL NEVER BE THE SAME. ULTIMA IS THE BEST PRE-WORKOUT SUPPLEMENT EVER CREATED.

In the lab and in the gym. We took biochemistry pathways, blew them apart and exploited the substrates/enzymes to push a pathway resulting in TRUE SYNERGY...Not Marketing Babble. Passion kept this product a reality.

That passion was driven by these questions:

What if a team of accomplished certified clinicians that were also licensed sports nutritionists sat down and designed something so novel and so groundbreaking that those that used it would never buy supplements the same way again?

What if the users would never believe the marketing or advertisements the same way again and their expectations would be so high that other companies would scramble to catch up?

What if we did not just cash in on a “me too” product and did an “I ALONE” product?

What if the results EXCEEDED the marketing for once?

What if it truly was the single best pre-workout product ever conceived?

The ULTIMATE product is ULTIMA (the only name that seemed worthy)...

How else is it different from other pre-workout products?

IN EVERY SINGLE WAY:

• NO PROPRIETARY BLENDS: No “fairy dust” amounts of effective ingredients in shotgun, kitchen sink blend of whatever is cheapest that month to change from batch to batch.

• NO DECEPTION FOR PROFIT: Full-disclosure. Every ingredient. All the doses.

• NO AVERAGE FORMULATORS: Shawn Wells, MPH, RD, CISSN of Zone Halo Research, LLC is a Registered Dietitian with a Master's degree in Nutritional Biochemistry. Dana Houser, MD, MHSA, CISSN is a Medical Doctor who specializes in Endocrinology. Play time is over.

• NO GUESSWORK: Researched ingredients in their researched forms in the researched doses.

• NO HERBAL EXTRACTS: Only pure, pharmaceutical-grade, GMP certified, fully tested ingredients. The results are consistent every time. The quality is there all the time.

• NO INFERIOR FORMS OF INGREDIENTS: The MOST active form of every ingredient we could legally attain. Period. No cyanocobalamin like everyone else. Instead we opted for the superior form of B12, Methylcobalamin.

• NO INFERIOR DOSING: Sure we could have a great ingredient like methylcobalamin and dose it at 15 micrograms for profit, but not in ULTIMA. Instead 15,000 micrograms of Methylcobalamin was used for a massive and truly groundbreaking dose. Every ingredient was dosed for maximal effect.

• NO CUTTING CORNERS: Every ingredient has to be there in this formulation or it doesn't exploit the metabolic pathway. This product isn't just novel because of ingredients and doses...it is much, much than that. EVERY INGREDIENT AND EVERY DOSE IS ESSENTIAL.

• NO BASIC DELIVERY: This isn't a product that is just some powder full of great ingredients. The novelty even stretches to the delivery system. Effervescence buffers increase the amount of key ingredients reaching you system and also improve performance in their own right by reducing metabolic waste and working synergistically with creatine.

• NO AWFUL TASTE: This is not a “pain in the gut”, “gag it down” product. The effervescence and patented “Citrus Dew” taste make for a delicious and enjoyable experience. Leave the pain for the workout.

• NO SAFETY QUESTIONS: With GMP certification and a Registered Dietitian and Medical Doctor behind this label with EVERYTHING LISTED. BELIEVE.

• NO CHEAP, COUNTERPRODUCTIVE INGREDIENTS: ULTIMA is just as much about what is NOT in it, as what IS. No arginine. No Glycerol. No Caffeine. No Taurine. No Stimulants. Nothing to mask performance of the true product. Nothing to counteract these incredible ingredients. No ETHYL ESTER anything. No trash. NOW you're wondering why all the other products might have these things? We are too.

• NO EQUAL: With Novelty comes patents. Not patent pending or partial patents done for marketing reasons. Real, FULL-Patents. SERIOUSLY, ULTIMA FEATURING TRINITINE IS THE END GAME.


TRINITINE. A SPORTS NUTRITION FIRST. The novelty of the design. The sheer beauty of the concept. Trinitine is a fully patented blend with a specific ratio of electrolyte-bound creatine chelates. There has never, ever been a single creatine or blend that matches what Trinitine accomplishes. It's delivery, bioavailability, “bloat-free”, fully-synergistic method of execution is brilliant. Trinitine is covered by multiple patents for its ingredients and tested ratios. It is also being worked out for future scientific study by a peer-reviewed journal and discussed for multiple licensing deals. The industry is taking notice. The best sports nutrition ingredient just got better with this industry first. It's not an empty promise. TRINITINE IS THE CORNERSTONE OF ULTIMA. TRINITINE IS THE TRUTH.

HOW ABOUT ANOTHER SPORTS NUTRITION FIRST? AGAIN. The TripHasic Blend's method of execution is genius. N-alpha-acetyl-carnosine (AACA) has never been used in a nutrition product for oral delivery. It was way too expensive and too hard to attain, besides that, no formulators have even heard of it. Well, ULTIMA is about using the BEST ingredients and being GROUNDBREAKING...so we did it anyway.

Carnosine is an incredible buffer in the muscle that has been shown to significantly enhance performance and strength. Most product just use beta-alanine, if any carnosine booster at all. It is relatively cheap and effective, but needs to be dosed four times a day, according to research. A select few have, therefore, been working on a timed release beta-alanine to make more muscle carnosine with less doses. We took beta-alanine and went far beyond that. We added a high-dose carnosine dipeptide, and the N-Alpha acetylcarnosine (AACA) peptide to make a more effective, premium timed release carnosine booster. AACA is so unique that in that it is resistant to carnosinase, the enzyme that quickly breaks down low-doses of carnosine rendering it ineffective. This resistance gives it a long-lasting effect in the body. ALL DAY PERFORMANCE.

Beta-alanine for a quick hit. High dosed carnosine dipeptide for mid workout surge. And lastly, AACA for a powerful TRUE carnosine boost all-day long. AACA is, of course, in an EFFECTIVE DOSE. Add this blend to the most unique creatine blend ever devised and you have the BEST PERFORMANCE OF YOUR LIFE. More Reps. Quicker muscle gains. Faster Fat loss. Faster recovery. More endurance. IT IS ALL HERE.

KEEP GOING? NOT ENOUGH YET? How about a Nootropic blend called COGNI-Five that will push your Mind-muscle connection to the limit. Faster firing. Quicker thinking. Strength to burn. Lightning reaction time. Stronger. Faster. Better. And no one else can come close to replicating Cogni-Five; the dose of methylcobalamin alone would be more expensive than the cost of this product if attempted by other companies. WE DID NOT SET OUT TO REACH THE BAR...WE OBLITERATED IT.

STILL WANT MORE? THE METHYL-8-R COMPLEX pulls it all together. ALL OF IT. Remember how this is about biochemistry? YOUR BIOCHEMISTRY. It is not just some hodge-podge of kitchen-sink ingredients. It is about specific pathways. Specific substrates. Specific enzymes that act on those substrates. The most active forms. The best doses. These eight ingredients are the fuse to the “powder keg” known as ULTIMA. Coenzymated forms of awesome B-vitamins that turn this crank, such as R5P and P5P. The single best form of zinc for bioavailability of synergy to its salt: Zinc Orotate. TriMethylGlycine is great, but you need a whopping amount for it to be effective. Well, you know our answer to that problem? Four grams of TMG alone. Why we would we settle now?

Making any comparisons to ULTIMA wouldn't be fair to our product or whatever is mentioned in the same breath. THERE IS NO OTHER. DO NOT SETTLE FOR AN INFERIOR PRODUCT WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR HEALTH AND YOUR PERFORMANCE. IT IS TIME TO FINISH WHAT YOU'VE STARTED IN THE GYM, ON THE FIELD AND ON THE COURT. DON'T JUST “DO IT”...”ANNHILATE IT”! ULTIMA Codename: THUNDER V.2 FEATURING THE FULLY PATENTED TRINITINE IS NOW A REALITY.
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androgenic
01-24-2009, 04:07 AM
According to Matt Palada (CEO of Omega Sports, Former Owner CNW):
Well here is a little bit of good news for you who wanted the piracetam:

If you purchase three tubs of ULTIMA, you will be getting 72g of Piracetam FREE! That is enough to use 1.2g with each dose of ULTIMA, over all three tubs.

Now if you really want to go nuts and order 6 tubs of ULTIMA, you get bikini pictures of both Shawn and Dana...

Or instead, how about the 72g of free piracetam plus a bottle of free (will be expired but still good) BURN3D, Cerebral, or Power Jolt. I'll try to accomdate requests, but obviously cannot guarantee anything as each one is in short supply.

This product goes on sale Monday 1/26/09 through his site...supplies will be limited.
For more information check out the bb.com thread:ΩΩΩ-Urgent Announcement on ULTIMA: Updates, !Ingredients! & Sale Date!!-ΩΩΩ - Bodybuilding.com Forums (http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113413211)
www.omegaspor************s.com

Venom
01-24-2009, 04:11 AM
Looks awesome, Shawn!!! Thanks for informing us.

androgenic
01-24-2009, 04:18 AM
I appreciate it. Gabe is talking to Matt about setting up his own area over here. He's a very strong and faithful Christian and named his company Biblically. I admire his "light". He lives it. Any way, he thinks a great deal of you guys (plus I talk you up) and he thinks your goals for science, ethics, and Christianity are very much in line with his.

I appreciate your support!

Venom
01-24-2009, 05:13 AM
Thanks, brother! Back at u.

Not sure if you guys have seen Shawn's new site but it is off the hook! Amazing professionalism, http://www.zonehalo.com/

androgenic
01-26-2009, 11:18 PM
For anyone looking to order this, Matt's site has crashed due to overwhelming demand...his site was brand new and not tested out. Several hundred of the 500 available got bought last night, before it was even supposed to be up for sale (today). While all this sounds good and we appreciate the enthusiasm, we also regret any frustration this may cause.

Check back frequently to:http://www.omegasportssupplements.com
The old site is up now and the new one is down. The new one looks flashy, new and mostly black. The old one is plain and mostly white.

Matt's email address is info@omegasportssupplements.com if you have any concerns about getting your order in.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=113413211

Venom
01-26-2009, 11:42 PM
Wow, congrats on your success, guys!!!

klosey
02-05-2009, 09:36 PM
congats guys :)

fightbackhxc21
02-05-2009, 11:12 PM
we actually have something in the sponsored area????? :eek:

Venom
02-05-2009, 11:45 PM
I think you prophesied this!!

fightbackhxc21
02-06-2009, 12:48 AM
ay, that it did. i had a vision. a revelation if you will.

Crombie
02-06-2009, 11:15 AM
Might want to remove the blocked word for that other site so we can check out Omega's site. Especially since that blocked site has not existed for almost 2 years now. :D

matpal
02-06-2009, 06:50 PM
Glad to say that customers are finally reciving ULTIMA. This has been such a long day coming. So hopefully, we should start seeing some feedback rolling in the next few days.

matpal
02-06-2009, 06:54 PM
ΩΩΩΩ-Attention Ultima Customers-ΩΩΩΩ

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In the next week, you will be receiving a packet of additional flavor that should be used with ULTIMA.

You will need to use this to experience the Citrus Dew flavor.

Because, honestly, the product now does not taste good.

What happened was we spent about 6 weeks developing the flavor based on the working formula we had during that time. after we found a flavor that really closely resembled Mountain Dew, I went ahead and procured enough flavor for our first run. But then we decided to add the sodium bicarbonate and potassium bicarbonate to the formula. And I thought that if we just increased the amount of flavor, it would be sufficient to cover the taste. Apparently, I was wrong. If you ever brushed your teeth with pure baking soda, you know it is a very strong taste; much stronger than I had anticipated.

When i got the finished product in, it was the first time I had the final mix with the bicarbonates and obviously tasted that it was not exactly what we had been working on.

So as I said, everyone will be getting a jar of flavor sent to them to add 1 gram to every serving of ULTIMA that they purchased.

A little bit of a hassle, but it should be worth it to really experience the yummy goodness that is Citrus Dew

miker44
02-07-2009, 05:41 PM
I have a peanut allergy, so that is naturally a concern for me when buying supplements. I see that you have the "manufactured in the same facility....." warning on the ULTIMA label. What are you doing to keep those allergens out of the product? Should I be worried about trying this supplement?

fightbackhxc21
02-07-2009, 07:10 PM
Your guy's website is nicely done! I graduate in the spring of 2010. When you guys get big, Id be up for a job haha.

klosey
02-08-2009, 11:48 AM
Your guy's website is nicely done! I graduate in the spring of 2010. When you guys get big, Id be up for a job haha.

thinking the same :p lol jok, ultima seems good stuff is it available here in the uk??

rootb33r
02-09-2009, 08:48 PM
Soooo when's the store going to be up? The design seems like a cool logo I wouldn't mind sporting in the gym!

matpal
02-11-2009, 01:44 PM
I have a peanut allergy, so that is naturally a concern for me when buying supplements. I see that you have the "manufactured in the same facility....." warning on the ULTIMA label. What are you doing to keep those allergens out of the product? Should I be worried about trying this supplement?

THat is more of just a disclaimer you have to have die to new food laws that went into effect late last year.

Bottom line is that stuff is made in the same facility, but should be norwhere near our product.

matpal
02-11-2009, 01:50 PM
Soooo when's the store going to be up? The design seems like a cool logo I wouldn't mind sporting in the gym!

ULTIMA is available for purchase now.

THere is a wealth of feedback coming in through bodybuilding.com, most of which is extremely positive. SO far, ULTIMA looks very nice.

http://www.omegasportssupplements.com/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49&Itemid=104

rootb33r
02-11-2009, 04:31 PM
ULTIMA is available for purchase now.

THere is a wealth of feedback coming in through bodybuilding.com, most of which is extremely positive. SO far, ULTIMA looks very nice.

http://www.omegasportssupplements.com/web/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49&Itemid=104

I meant the clothing!

matpal
02-12-2009, 04:14 PM
Oh, we should have clothing out fairly soon.

fightbackhxc21
02-13-2009, 11:02 PM
Are you looking for anyone to log Ultima?

klosey
02-14-2009, 07:01 PM
Are you looking for anyone to log Ultima?

was wondering same thing but its a bit far to send some

matpal
02-18-2009, 12:51 PM
Are you looking for anyone to log Ultima?

Well, we were not doing sponsored logs anywhere else because we wanted the feedback to be purely non-biased.

But, since no one here is really using it, go ahead and email me your info and we will get one out for you to log on ABC.

fightbackhxc21
02-18-2009, 01:58 PM
whats your email address? If you would rather email me instead of putting your email address out fightbackhxc@yahoo.com

Belonging to ABC will definitely not effect my bias. Ill rate it honestly and if it doesn't perform well ill tell you. I don't think that will be the case tho!

matpal
02-18-2009, 06:54 PM
Email Sent.

klosey
02-23-2009, 09:29 AM
whats your email address? If you would rather email me instead of putting your email address out fightbackhxc@yahoo.com

Belonging to ABC will definitely not effect my bias. Ill rate it honestly and if it doesn't perform well ill tell you. I don't think that will be the case tho!

Fightbachxc stick your log in supplement review section, keep us informed bro :) oh and p.s 6mu still tastes bad! :D

fightbackhxc21
02-23-2009, 01:57 PM
will do Klosey!

matpal
02-25-2009, 06:21 PM
will do Klosey!

Have you recived your shipment yet?

fightbackhxc21
02-25-2009, 07:43 PM
yep remember i emailed ya?

matpal
02-26-2009, 01:18 AM
I guess not. :) Sorry, but can you re-send it?

Ordo Ab Chao
03-06-2009, 07:30 PM
I'm curious why Ultima doesn't cotain ALA. From what I understand, It can help improve glycogen and thus creatine uptake. Did you guys not consider it or feel that it would be of no benefit?

matpal
03-09-2009, 11:45 PM
Dr. Houser, who contributed to the formula, is a huge oponent to messing with the insuline response pre-workout. Therefore, we left it out.

Plus, with the creatine chelates we used, absorption should not be an issue.

Ordo Ab Chao
03-11-2009, 04:20 AM
Dr. Houser, who contributed to the formula, is a huge oponent to messing with the insuline response pre-workout. Therefore, we left it out.

Plus, with the creatine chelates we used, absorption should not be an issue.

I didn't consider that a pre-wo insulin spike could blunt the pwo spike. I always thought that as long as you didn't cause several small spikes (such as sipping on a carb drink intra-wo) the pwo spike would not be inhibited. Thats good to know. Thats also a good point about the chelates.

So taking this new information into consideration, how do you feel about spiking insulin first thing in the morning (which is about 4-6 hours before my pwo spike)? I have been trying this lately since supposedly stress hormones are highest upon waking and also to help restart protein synthesis.

klosey
03-11-2009, 09:11 AM
I didn't consider that a pre-wo insulin spike could blunt the pwo spike. I always thought that as long as you didn't cause several small spikes (such as sipping on a carb drink intra-wo) the pwo spike would not be inhibited. Thats good to know. Thats also a good point about the chelates.

So taking this new information into consideration, how do you feel about spiking insulin first thing in the morning (which is about 4-6 hours before my pwo spike)? I have been trying this lately since supposedly stress hormones are highest upon waking and also to help restart protein synthesis.

complex carbs are good for first thing the metabolism will start high when awaken but its the carb intake that makes you anabolic, alot of people get mislead and just take protien but this doesnt stop catabolism, simple sugars would be too benificial but not that bad as your metabolism being high would burn them off

Ordo Ab Chao
03-11-2009, 07:56 PM
complex carbs are good for first thing the metabolism will start high when awaken but its the carb intake that makes you anabolic, alot of people get mislead and just take protien but this doesnt stop catabolism, simple sugars would be too benificial but not that bad as your metabolism being high would burn them off

I figured that this isn't a huge insulin spike like my dextrose/maltodextrin/ALA combo that I take pwo, and its followed by the oats to provide a steady insulin release and prevent a crash.

upon waking:
-20g whey protein isolate
-5g BCAA
-30g waxi maize
-200mg ALA

about 45-60 min. later:
1 cup oats cooked in water


So do you suggest I omit the 30g waxi maize or maybe cut it in half?

klosey
03-12-2009, 09:18 AM
waxi maize is a strange one as a study a while back showed it isnt really a fast digesting carb

Ordo Ab Chao
03-12-2009, 04:19 PM
waxi maize is a strange one as a study a while back showed it isnt really a fast digesting carb

I read that article too. If I remember correctly, it suggested at worst its similar to white bread. I've got a few pounds lying around since I save my maltodextrin/dextrose for pwo so I might as well use it

dinoiii
03-13-2009, 04:17 PM
I'm curious why Ultima doesn't cotain ALA. From what I understand, It can help improve glycogen and thus creatine uptake. Did you guys not consider it or feel that it would be of no benefit?

ALA is something that plays the role of insulinomimetic. As such, it can cause bouts of hypoglycemia. The endocrinology of working out includes a hypoglycemic time frame already and putting things into a pre-workout formulation makes little sense.

Now, I am uncertain I would really dub this solely a pre-workout concoction, but we had to list it as something.

Creatine uptake is stimulated to only a certain level and then you get nothing more. Think of it this way: a 5 gram box can no matter how hard you try still hold ONLY 5 grams. The companies projecting something alternative to this is plain non-sensical. The best creatine shuttle without having to inundate yourself with copious tallies of CHOs remains sodium - of which the formula accomplished quite nicely actually.


D_

Ordo Ab Chao
03-15-2009, 11:59 PM
yeah that makes sense now. thanks for the thorough explanation.

another question: are you guys still looking for someone to run an ultima log on bulk nutrition/1fast400?

matpal
03-17-2009, 06:23 PM
Sure.

Email me your contact info.

Ordo Ab Chao
03-18-2009, 06:54 PM
ALA is something that plays the role of insulinomimetic. As such, it can cause bouts of hypoglycemia. The endocrinology of working out includes a hypoglycemic time frame already and putting things into a pre-workout formulation makes little sense.

Now, I am uncertain I would really dub this solely a pre-workout concoction, but we had to list it as something.

Creatine uptake is stimulated to only a certain level and then you get nothing more. Think of it this way: a 5 gram box can no matter how hard you try still hold ONLY 5 grams. The companies projecting something alternative to this is plain non-sensical. The best creatine shuttle without having to inundate yourself with copious tallies of CHOs remains sodium - of which the formula accomplished quite nicely actually.


D_

Not sure if you saw my previous post about a insulin spike upon waking to lower stress hormones. What are your thoughts on this? Do you think it would take away from a pwo spike if its spaced about 5-6 hours apart?