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sta63bmx
02-27-2002, 11:33 AM
I cannot claim to be a fitness expert, but I would like to share my feelings about deadlifting with everyone on this board. I realize that different people respond differently to different training stimuli, and what has worked for me might not work for everyone else. However, I do not think I am a genetic freak, and I certainly did not do a lifetime of hard, back-breaking labor before I started deadlifting. In other word, I think this kind of progress is reasonable for everybody. I still view myself as fairly weak and small, and welcome the opportunity to grow. This is a long post, but this is a subject I think about a LOT. lol

Beginning Stats: 155 lbs, no previous weightlifting experience last June.

Current Stats: 175 lbs, and still learning every time!

Physical SIze: 5'10", with a 30" inseam. My legs are a little short, and my upper body is longer. I dunno what body type that is besides "deformed midget". lol

The first week I went to the gym with a friend to lift, he told me to try deadlifting. I did, and about passed out the first time. lol I remember getting tunnel vision. I also remember that I simply could not lift 205 lbs. I tried it and couldnt do it. But I kept after it every week with very few exceptions, and I saw the weight come up in a hurry, both on the bar and on the scale. I have refined my technique a little along the way, and this is how I use deadlifts...

CAUTION: For some reason, people have called me a "freak" and other people have adamantly stated that human beings are not supposed to like deadlifts. That might explain why the vast majority of the people I see in the gym don't deadlift. I have developed a bizarre relationship with this sometimes painful exercise, though, and now find it to be the most enjoyable exercise of the week! Squats run a close second, but I've heard bad things about those, too. DOn't believe a word of that. And remember that this post is my OPINION, formed by my own experience with deadlifting.

I. Deadlift Form

Probably the most important part is form. And the key is that the deadlift is a slow lift. Never, EVER try to blast the weight up with a sudden lift. That is the fastest way to get injured. My feet are slightly more than shoulder width, but narrower than squat stance. Toes point out a little, feet about as far apart as the beginning of the knurling on a standard Olympic bar. My grip is wide, the outsides of my palms right on the smooth rings cut into the knurling for reference. I use an overhand grip, since I am not a powerlifter, and will strap heavy weight.

To begin the lift, I squat down low, and roll the bar back so it is dorectly above my instep. My shins lean forward slightly, and I lock my back into a strong arch, looking up. This is very similar to my back form on squat. I make SURE my *** is low and I am looking up, and I preload, bringing my back into tension as I lift up just a little. I may hold this for ten or twenty seconds, breathing in and out slowly and deeply until I am mentally ready. Now I will begin the lift with a strong, deliberate contraction in my assus maximus (big ***) and hip flexors, which will get the lift started. I keep the bar close to my shins on the way up, because this allows me to keep my back more vertical. Getting bent over during the lift is the second best way to injure yourself. After the bar has come up a few inches, I begin to straighten, bringing quads and my back into play. The bar almost drags up my shins and over my knees, and I stand straight. The back is most important during the last phase of the lift. To come back down, I start to bend my knees a little bit, and also begin to bend my back. You have to bend your back to allow the bar to clear the knees on the way down. Once it is below the knees, it takes serious effort to keep the back straight--fight the urge to simply bend over and deposit the bar on the ground. Use your legs and *** in the bottom half of the lift, back locked in a strong position.

For doing multiple reps, I prefer to let the plates actually contact the ground slightly before starting back up. This ensures a full range of motion and lets you repeatedly work the most difficult portion of the lift--the bottom! If you partial rep instead of coming down, you will not see full development of the *** and hip strength required to get heavy weight up off the ground. And if you can't get it off the ground, you can't deadlift it.

Finally, I do NOT thrust my hips out at the top of the motion. Standing straight is as far as I go. It simply does not feel natural to me and I do not like the way my spine feels when I thrust my hips forward. I am not sure why people do this. If it is a necessary part of powerlifting form, fine. But to me it seems like doing a hyperextension and coming up past parallel. I have seen admonitions not to do it there, so I do not like the idea of doing that motion while holding a lot of weight.

II. Deadlift Mentality

This will sound like Zen hoodoo BS to some people, I suppose, but the deadlift IS an extremely mental lift. The loaded bar is physically intimidating, and the sheer amount of weight can be a mental obstacle. When I bend down to get my grip locked in, I will often spend a few seconds envisioning the placement of the bar above my instep, calming my breathing, and removing unnecessary thoughts from my mind. Once my grip is locked, I stand in position and bend over at the waist for a minute, taking maybe eight or ten deep breaths to calm myself and hyperventilate a little, trying to pump just a little more oxygen into my body. This is handy before a set with multiple reps! Envision yourself lifting the weight. Look up. Keep a strong position.

III. Deadlift Breathing

I cannot vouch for the safety of this, but here is how I usually breathe. I typically do not breathe out during the upward movement. I let out some air so my lungs are not totally full...that seems to create too much pressure in my stomach cavity, and that is uncomfortable. As a former hernia patient, I do not like that feeling. I will typically breathe in near the top of the rep, then hold some air while coming down, breahting out as I approach the bottom. It is difficult for me to describe it, since it feels very natural to me.

But DO NOT forget to breathe!!! Otherwise you *will* pass out, and you will fall down. I've tunneled before doing this and it is not pleasant.

IV. Deadlift Equipment

I pick the grippiest bar I can in the whole gym, one with nice, sharp knurling. I do not use chalk, since I will use straps for my heavy sets. I wear a belt during all but my lightest warmup set, and I wear a belt during that set, too. I can pull a little more weight with my belt very tight, but it makes breathing more difficult and it cuts into my hips. It also increases pressure in my stomach cavity, which I do not like. I usually back off a notch from the tightest setting I can get closed around my gut. images/icons/smile.gif My waist is about 33".

And I use wrist straps. I typically do not use them until I get past 300 pounds, though. I use plain canvas straps, no gloves. They sometimes hurt a little, but the bruises serve as a physical reminder of what I accomplished, and I like that. I never wash the straps, either. After a while, they get broken in and comfortable.

IV. Deadlift Sets/Reps

I have never used anything but the ascending set technique for deadlifting. My emphasis is back while deadlifting, but I use it for forearms, too. I will do one light set of ten reps (135) with no straps as a warmup. I can usually gauge by this set whether or not it will be a good day. If it feels like baby weight, it is because I am well-hydrated and have a lot of carbs in me.

The set progression is determined by the other lifts I am doing that day. If deadlifts are first, I will next pick a weight where my grip fails between 6-10 reps (265 currently). I will perform this set with no straps, and I attempt to add reps each week. Once I get ten, the weight goes up twenty pounds. If I deadlifted first it means I am trying to max out (typically). The next set will be a heavy set with straps, and I will make it so my back fails between 6-10 reps. THis is usually a set at 315. I will either go to failure or simply do a set of maybe five reps if I am trying to preserve strength for a max effort. Now I will go up in heavy singles. I will strap it and jump maybe fifty pounds to 365 and pull a single rep. After this, I will wait, and then try to pull a single max rep at 405.

My wait time is generally a few minutes between heavy sets.

If I am deadlifting last (which I prefer) my grip has already been blasted by rows and chins. Now I will do 135x10 with no straps, 225x10 with straps, and then run my heavy sets. The two warmup sets are important for this crucial reason: they get your body used to heavier weight. I am warmed up by now, but I havent lifted anything heavier than 155 all day so far. The next step is to go to 315 and do heavy sets with straps. I will go to failure here, wait a few minutes, and then go to failure again. My goal is still ten reps, and if I meet it, the weight will go up next week. These two heavy sets when you are already tired will build muscular endurance and work pre-exhausted traps, shoulders, and everything else. These two sets can be brutal, but they are good. The next step is, IMO, critical to maintaining your ability to lift heavy weight. I will up the weight to almost 90% of my max and do a single heavy set of 2-6 reps. I go to 355, strap it, and try to crank out as many reps as possible. it was 3 last week. images/icons/smile.gif This is a low rep set, but it does this for your body: it keeps you used to heavy weight. You can pull reps at 315 all year, but I firmly believe that unless you lift heavier weight on a regular basis, your body will really struggle when you try to lift it. This is partly mental for me, but the physical effort is completely different when trying to do one single max rep and a set of lower-weight repetitions. DOn't neglect lifting heavy weight!

V. Ancillary Exercises

My back day routine usually has deadlifts last, unless I want to max out. When deadlifts are last, it goes cleans, chins, rows, deadlifts. Power cleans are an excellent warmup for deadlifts, and they will help strengthen your back. I firmly believe they have helped me with my deadlifts. I do cleans with smaller plates, to get me lower, and this has helped eliminate the sticking point at the bottom of deadlifts. Bent over rows, although meant for lats, also strengthen your lower back tremendously. When you stand, bent over, with heavy weight, it is like an extended contraction for your back. The length of the sets also helps build muscular endurance.

VI. Deadlift Attitude

This is another mental issue, one that is very important. I know from experience that when my body starts to act tired and my legs start to burn, I have at least two more repetitions left. Why? Because I know! This took me a while to discover, and I don't remember exactly how it came about. Failing makes me angry. I don't like to fail, I don't like to look weak. That kind of mental attitude (I believe) is the #1 thing that has made my deadlifts far surpass my other lifts. Deadlifts are very painful towards the end of a set, but it does not mean that I have reached failure. Much like biceps, I have found that when it really starts to burn, I can force out two more reps, usually. However, this requires a level of mental determination that is pretty freaking serious. I know I have reached failure when I have a very difficult time completing the last portion of the rep--straightening up. Typically my last rep is a tremendous challenge for my back. Once the bar is knee high, grit it out, and focus all your energy in your back to straighten out and pull up strong. And when you reach the top, stand there and hold the bar for a minute. Take a look around the gym and realize something--you have just completed a brutal, primal exercise that will test raw power possibly more than anything else. THat is awesome.

VII. COnclusion!

That training method, combined with a serious attitude about deadlifts, has increased my max two hundred pounds in the last eight months. I do not believe I am a genetic freak. If I were, I think I would have gained more than twenty pounds! images/icons/smile.gif I have achieved far more on deadlift than any other lift, and I think it is because I look forward to deadlifting every week. The attitude has allowed me to push my body as far as it goes every single week. If I could do that on my other lifts, I think I would be in much better shape than I am now! SO I encourage you to deadlift, because I think it will add mass and mental toughness faster than anything else.

Enjoy the gym this week.

JP

Mr. Dumbell
02-27-2002, 11:36 AM
Hehe, I'm gonna have to print this to read it all the way through. Who woulda thought a deadlift post by you would be so long??? I'll respond with either sarcasm or insight (I'm leaning toward sarcasm at the moment) when I'm done.


Now that I am done......Upon further review, the post stands!

Great info Warrior of the Deads.

President Wilson
07-20-2002, 03:43 AM
Absolutely incredible! This has no choice but to be bumped!

Mopete
07-20-2002, 06:31 AM
I have become a big fan of the deadlift recently sta63bmx. Though not franco monkey, I have brought up my stats tremendously. I did 345 stiff legged deadlift the other day. I tried 360 and failed. But slowly but surely i will possibly be as big of a fan as you i hope!

Mopete
07-20-2002, 06:33 AM
I have never tried to max out on just a regular deadlift. I usually stay stiff legged to isolate the lower back more. Which way do u do it sta63bmx?

Barlow
07-20-2002, 06:40 AM
wooow jus printed the post out 4 pages long! nice one mate i dont include deadlifts in my routine but i will read through this and surley add them to it thanks alot great post great help!!

flats31
01-03-2003, 11:26 PM
bump

Xtreme1986
05-24-2003, 11:20 PM
bump

sta63bmx
05-25-2003, 12:01 AM
How does this post keep getting bumped? lol

minibeast18
05-25-2003, 12:12 AM
hey sta63bmx I have just recently started lifting weights and ive wanted to improve my deadlift so do u think u can tell me ur exact workouts so i can try them out?

*j*
05-25-2003, 11:29 AM
Excellent post.

05-25-2003, 04:01 PM
Nothing like lifting 315-405 off the floor to make you feel powerful.

Even Mrs Centricity deads a plate + !!/forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Fenix
06-11-2003, 01:59 PM
excellent post! I have been doing light dead lifts for a while(nothing over 225lb). Just last week I got and urge to try tome really heavy Iron. I lifted 415lb x 5!!! and although I do pay attention to my breathing I started to get tunnel vision in the last rep on the way down. /forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif after I shook it off I felt great knowing that I pushed that hard even with what I think was proper breathing and form.

superbilt
06-11-2003, 03:36 PM
good post man.

the deadlift is my favorite exercise too. yea and the part about most people being scared of the deadlift is so true. everytime i deadlift heavy all the people run away in terror lol.

goldmill
06-11-2003, 04:25 PM
Out of curiosity, have you ever tried Deadlifting sumo stance as opposed to the more traditional way?

BTW, this older guy at school this past week was deadlifting, probably close to 50 or so. Anyway, he stiff-legged 405 twice and then did 1 rep singles on traditional deadlifts up to 515. Pretty Impressive.

bam311food
06-11-2003, 04:32 PM
Sumo stance is used because you have less of a distance to move the bar.

sta63bmx
06-11-2003, 05:27 PM
I have tried sumo a couple times. If I really wanted to just go for max weight, I'd switch to sumo. My hips and butt are weak right now (compared to conventional), but I have midget dwarf legs and pretty long arms for my height, so I can really get booty down. it's not fair (seeing as how it's more of a half-DL than a whole DL) because I'm so short, but that's life. /forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I am sure I could pull more weight.

I may try it again for a max-effort exercise in the next couple cycles. It's good for hip and glute strength, that's for sure, and a little safer on your back.

My friend Tom switched over (he's maybe 6'1"-ish), and I think his weight jumped quit a bit. He can pull about 535, probably more now. Takes a lot of hip strength and glute power, though. /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif ANd loose boxers!

JoeGT
06-19-2003, 12:47 PM
I love doing deadlifts. I cannot do too much weight, though. I deadlifted 165 yesterday. I love it.. lol. I really have to get a pair of gloves though. My hands get so cut up when I do this. So, what is best? Gloves, or these straps which you talk about?

sta63bmx
06-19-2003, 02:52 PM
I just use chalk. Your hands will toughen up pretty quickly, and the chalk will also keep the bar dry, so you can get a good grip on it. Straps let you pull more weight, but won't protect your hands. I didn't bother with straps until I hit 315, and even now I think strapping it was a mistake. I would really recommend doing it unstrapped until you can't get a good back workout anymore, and then strapping it when your grip fails. The deadlift really helps build grip strength that's important for chins, cleans, rows, anything that involves holding on.

Then again, the honeys don't really like rough hands... /forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

RicoCPA
06-19-2003, 03:40 PM
Dude,

Great post!!

I'm printin' this bad boy out! I have done SLDL, but not regular DL. I'm gonna start them when I bulk.

Thanks for the great info.

Jared_nz
10-03-2004, 06:43 AM
I am just wondering what is better in form?

My Gym's PT taught me to ease the weight down.

i.e lift up slow, then slowly bring it back down til I'm almost in same starting position and then drop. And start over again.

You seem to just pick up and then drop from the contraction, is this better??

I'm 80kgs, 5' 9ish lifting a max of 90kgs (198lbs??). I feel I can do 100kgs tho /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif. I love deadlifts they are the most exercise I look forward to everytime I'm at the gym.


Also I got told not to do deadlifts very often, maybe only every 10 days? is there any sense in this logic? at the moment I do it once per week.

thanks appreciate your future replys.

Tanuki
10-03-2004, 06:55 AM
I know it is normal for Olympic lifters (I used to training in an Olympic facility), but I'll be danged if the constant clang and bounce of people dropping bars doesn't just drive me nuts. Hate it, hate it, hate it.

Anyway, I like to bring the weight back down like a rep in reverse. I set it back down under control. From there I get back into the correct position, take a breath or two and then...UP!!!

Coz
10-03-2004, 07:44 AM
[ QUOTE ]
I am just wondering what is better in form?

My Gym's PT taught me to ease the weight down.

i.e lift up slow, then slowly bring it back down til I'm almost in same starting position and then drop. And start over again.

You seem to just pick up and then drop from the contraction, is this better??

I'm 80kgs, 5' 9ish lifting a max of 90kgs (198lbs??). I feel I can do 100kgs tho /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif. I love deadlifts they are the most exercise I look forward to everytime I'm at the gym.


Also I got told not to do deadlifts very often, maybe only every 10 days? is there any sense in this logic? at the moment I do it once per week.

thanks appreciate your future replys.

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Yes you should lower the weight back to your starting position don't drop the weight. If you are referring to sta63bmx dropping the weight in his animation, he was maxing out.

I also like to do continuous grip deadlifts where you take the negative back down but do not touch the floor so you can't reset your grip.

I do deadlifts on average once per week. 10 days is still ok in my opinion. Deadlifts are extremely taxing and you should not be able to do them more often than once a week if you are going all out.

Just don't do squats too close to deadlifts. Seperate them by a couple of days at least.

Jared_nz
10-03-2004, 03:31 PM
Thanks man appreciate that.

sta63bmx
10-03-2004, 10:57 PM
If you're going for a max, don't waste your time trying to lower the weight under control. Handling weight really close to your max can be dangerous, and trying to control it on the way down can be tricky sometimes. I just let it go.

If you're repping it out, then I try to come down slow and under control. I like to let the weight touch the floor just enough that it stops, so the floor is doing the stop action for me. Turning it around on your back alone can also be dangerous if the weight is really heavy. I don't stop and let go, I just come down and let the weight barely touch on either side, so I'm starting from zero velocity rather than having my back do the reversal.

I lift completely differently than that post now. /forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif But I can't edit it. I still think that's good info.

TheShanMan
10-04-2004, 01:43 PM
Well if you do it completely differently now, why not give us the details? Just edit the original in a new post.

sta63bmx
10-04-2004, 02:40 PM
I'm still learning conventional form, and I have come to the conclusion that I honestly know less about lifting now than when I wrote that post. /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Give me some time to explore conventional pulling....

Satch
10-04-2004, 07:02 PM
This post will never die... Especially when I just bumped it......

sta63bmx
10-04-2004, 07:38 PM
Man, how old IS this post? This is like summer of 2002 or so, almost two years old. I'll tell you this...thre is nothing like the deadlift. From the first time I picked up the bar to last Friday, that fundamental feeling of power hasn't changed at all. The most dramatic growth I have ever experienced was the literal explosion in my lower back, all brought about by the mighty deadlift. It is possibly the most compound lift out there, with just as many variations of the squat, and it hits about everything except for pecs and triceps.

The deadlift should be the foundation, the core, the keystone of a serious mass-building program. It's so compound it's almost lie cheating. Squats and deadlifts will do more for you than possibly anything else. And that posterior chain development will do nothing but help you in the rest of your endeavors.

I still believe the deadlift is the king. I am glad I started doing speed pulls, and that from there I am starting to get back into it. I'm leery now about training it too heavy, too often, but....well, it's just an addiction, you know that.

MC-JayCore
10-04-2004, 10:35 PM
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I'll tell you this...thre is nothing like the deadlift. From the first time I picked up the bar to last Friday, that fundamental feeling of power hasn't changed at all. The most dramatic growth I have ever experienced was the literal explosion in my lower back, all brought about by the mighty deadlift. It is possibly the most compound lift out there, with just as many variations of the squat, and it hits about everything except for pecs and triceps.

The deadlift should be the foundation, the core, the keystone of a serious mass-building program. It's so compound it's almost lie cheating. Squats and deadlifts will do more for you than possibly anything else. And that posterior chain development will do nothing but help you in the rest of your endeavors.

I still believe the deadlift is the king.

[/ QUOTE ]

Amen!

I love your descriptions of the deadlift, JP... almost like poetry... /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

This post will never die. And nor should it.

Oopy Doopy
10-05-2004, 12:51 AM
I didn't even know this post existed! But it's good!

ByronSRU23
10-05-2004, 11:53 AM
Indeed.....VERY good post. I'm in agreement that with the exception of squats, there isn't another exercise that can hit the body as hard as deadlifts can. In fact, thats what I'm about to do myself here in a few hours......its BACK DAY! :-)

mrintensit-matt
10-16-2004, 11:26 PM
hey does the hexbar deadlift do the same thing?

sta63bmx
10-17-2004, 07:15 AM
Not quite. It will stil give you a good workout, but the weight isn't out in front of you, so it means you don't get bent over as much. It works a little less posterior chain, but it's still a good exercise.

Jared_nz
10-17-2004, 08:55 PM
I must be still doing something wrong in my form??

Cause I felt no muscle aching or any DOMS after my Deadlift day.

I even bumped my max to 100kg, yet still nothing. Maybe I'm not lifting enough, and its all in my mind that I think I can't lift heavier than 100kg.

also when I maxed out on my 2nd rep (last) I dropped the bar. Ahh that felt good /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Btw this problem, has been with me for atleast 4 workouts. And every work out I've increased my max weight up 10kgs.

sta63bmx
10-17-2004, 10:26 PM
What are your set-rep schemes looking like? If you wanna grow, more volume (reps * weight per rep) may be necessary. For example, I did 11 sets of 20 reps at 225 lbs. on Saturday...225 is barely over half of mt 1RM, but it made me sore since the volume was so high. Stick with 4-6 sets of ten at maybe 70-80% of your 1RM and see how you feel. Stick with good form!

Floods
10-17-2004, 11:13 PM
Yeah, like JP says, try more reps, more volume. Even if you increase your volume by 50% (not weight but actual reps), you will notice a difference. I would also suggest coming up at a slightly slower speed, and increase your TUT (time under tension), this will definately shock the system /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Floods

Jared_nz
10-17-2004, 11:13 PM
I'm doing

2 warm up sets

1st set
10 reps @ 10kg
2nd set
8reps of 20kg
3rd set (max)
2~4reps 100kg
cool down set 4th(final)
6 reps of 40kg)

cheers

Floods
10-18-2004, 01:17 AM
What do you reckon JP ? Definately more volume I'm thinking.

Try 12 Reps in your first set, 10 in your 2nd, 8 of 80kgs, THEN your max. I'm not a deadlift expert like JP is (/forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif) but I think you probably don't need a cool down set.

Any other suggestions ?

sta63bmx
10-18-2004, 03:05 PM
I wish I was a DL expert. THen I could explain why I project to 450 or so, yet haven't pulled over 405 in two years... /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

If you want to run a pyramid like that, once you come down the back side, I would add 2-3 sets of 10-15 reps and just go to failure.

Here is how it might look if I wanted to work up to a heavy double or triple...

Whatever warmups...

5-10 reps at about 50% of 1RM

2-5 reps at about 70% of 1RM

Singles or doubles from there on up until you hit a max. Then you might drop down from there to about 70% of 1RM and shoot for around ten reps, and then down to 50-60% of 1RM and just rep it out for 2-3 sets. If you want to add mass, definitely MORE VOLUME. /forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Jared_nz
10-18-2004, 04:28 PM
thanks guys, I'm gunna try this hopefully this week.

Floods
10-18-2004, 06:42 PM
Good luck Jared_nz /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

HKDave
11-05-2004, 05:12 AM
Out of curiosity, how many pounds do you think Franco was DLing in JayCore's avatar? That's just insane... I love DL as well, although I do have to find out which is better for me, sumo or standard...

Jedi
11-05-2004, 05:40 AM
I have a question about form for you, when I squat down starting the deadlift and get the bar hit the floor, then I start going up. The thing is that I feel like my knees like come inside when I do this, is this normal? This happens especially when I try wider stance. While I never have this problem when squating. Also I feel like when I'm rasiging the weight from the floor my back looses the arc abit, should I keep practicing with lower weight till I can hold the arc? I have no problem going all the way down with strong arc, but when I start going up, because of the push with the legs and all I feel my back is getting slightly bent.
What do you think?

sta63bmx
11-05-2004, 05:53 AM
Last time I counted, he had six plates, a 35, and a ten on either side.

6 plates = 585

So 585 + 70 + 20....at least 675. He may or may not have two tens on each side. I don't see a belt, though. He isn't the godhead of my joking, fake religion for nothing! Attaboy, Lord Franco!

Ironically, I have switched back to a slightly wider stance....I'm gonna go try it out right now.

pauly J
11-05-2004, 09:42 AM
Just started loving the deadlift, been doing stiff leg lifts for ages on leg day, but recently started full deadlifts on back day, target was 200 kg (about 400 and something pounds) It definately feels good. Next goal is 250 - Dont know if its possible but will go for it soon

MC-JayCore
11-08-2004, 06:41 AM
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So 585 + 70 + 20....at least 675. He may or may not have two tens on each side. I don't see a belt, though. He isn't the godhead of my joking, fake religion for nothing! Attaboy, Lord Franco!

[/ QUOTE ]

Hahaha! Franco's the man!

Question for you JP: I'm trying to really refine my deadlifting form as much as possible at the moment, not because there is anything wrong with it, but I just want it to be as good as possible so I can keep improving my poundages.

Whilst researching, I found this article by Dave Tate on T-nation, and was curious as to your thoughts on his guidelines for deadlifting form: http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=459744

His techinque seems somewhat different to yours (although there are similarities), though obviously this is because he is a powerlifter and is only concerned with getting the max amount of weight up once.

So what do you think?

sta63bmx
11-08-2004, 01:25 PM
This is definitely different than how I used to pull in some ways. I need to write a NEW "Working Out With Deadlifts" post for 2004, but I haven't gotten around to it.

If you're going to pull for max weight, I would definitely follow his guidelines. I'd also ditch the straps. ANd I would quit training DL for reps if you seriously just want to get your 1RM up. If you want to keep them for building size, though continuous grip is where it's at.

Man, I need to redo this post. And get some more video, too.

STEVEsteveSTEVE
11-08-2004, 01:33 PM
Gotta love how going nuts on your deadlifts makes you somewhat hunchbacked.. i love that feeling /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

i think this post deserves a sticky!

MC-JayCore
11-08-2004, 07:26 PM
Thanks JP /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I never lift with straps, I prefer the side effect of Popeye forearms /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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I need to write a NEW "Working Out With Deadlifts" post for 2004, but I haven't gotten around to it.


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Cool, can't wait!

Floods
11-17-2004, 04:22 PM
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This is definitely different than how I used to pull in some ways. I need to write a NEW "Working Out With Deadlifts" post for 2004, but I haven't gotten around to it.

Man, I need to redo this post. And get some more video, too.

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Bump.

Yes... Yes you do! /forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif

sta63bmx
11-17-2004, 04:23 PM
Ugh. I know I need to do this. I never should have written this post; it won't die.

Floods
11-17-2004, 04:25 PM
/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif To take the Nike phrase 'Just do it!' /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Floods
11-17-2004, 04:26 PM
Think of all the gym newbies you'll be helping out? Myself included. Videos are where it's at /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif You can only know so much by reading, but videos point out weak spots like nobody's business. /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Thanks JP, you da man.

gozo2u
02-26-2005, 11:46 PM
Great info... thanks!
I'm adding Deadlifts to my workout routine
and have been looking for info on the best and safest way to do it... Looks like a winner!

Cronus
02-27-2005, 12:35 AM
Just a quick question, when I perform DLs, I dont feel my back working or getting sore, though I feel it in my forearms. Does this mean my back isn't working out much?

gozo2u
02-27-2005, 07:38 PM
Cronus... I don't really know the answer, but you might want to post the question as a new question in the forum... so everyone can see it and you can get your answer.

meatyPT83
03-08-2005, 12:02 AM
Deadlifts are probably the most feared exercise in the gym next to squats. Nice to see people start deadlifting more, it is a great exercise when done properly. I absolutely love deadlifting, which probably sounds psychotic but theres no better way to build mass and raw power. Keep liftin strong

rev
03-08-2005, 01:00 AM
This thread. . . it's. . . IT'S ALIVE!!!! /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Blux
03-15-2005, 08:54 AM
i did my first deadlift attempt(s). luckley weights were low enough. gonna do stiff deadlifts tonight. i was told that my back was like a banana, that i should perhaps look up when doing it. oh well. will write more in my training jurnual once i get this going off from the embarassment phaze =)

and ofcoz, BUMP

sta63bmx
03-15-2005, 09:16 AM
This is like the thread that never dies. I have NO CLUE how it keeps getting found and bumped.

nozzle
03-15-2005, 09:34 AM
The groupies are increasing in number! Sweet!! /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

sta63bmx
03-15-2005, 09:37 AM
Triple sweet, groupies. I was kind of hoping for all women, but you take what you can get. /forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Next stop: world domination!

quadancer
04-01-2005, 05:32 AM
wrong forum, but as for gloves, don't buy weightlifting gloves, they are all crappy. Get to Home Depot or such and buy a pair of framers gloves with the forefingers cut out - I use Bostitch and they've lasted for two years, have gel pads for a hammer handle (weight bars) and stretch to fit snug. Your straps will go over the wrist part very comfortably when you go heavy, but I concur with the article - no straps when light so you grow forearms.

westsidebb24
04-01-2005, 08:42 AM
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wrong forum, but as for gloves, don't buy weightlifting gloves, they are all crappy. Get to Home Depot or such and buy a pair of framers gloves with the forefingers cut out - I use Bostitch and they've lasted for two years, have gel pads for a hammer handle (weight bars) and stretch to fit snug. Your straps will go over the wrist part very comfortably when you go heavy, but I concur with the article - no straps when light so you grow forearms.

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I say no gloves PERIOD...unless your worried about getting those nice little warwounds on the palms of your hand called calllouses /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Use CHALK /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif. Helps your grip, and is much more effective.