New diet, crazy claims

[bigpapa2126]

It's called TNT, and here's a taste of one of its claims:

"It can be customized for anyone's goals. You can use TNT to build muscle and lose fat simultaneously -- a feat that most nutrition and fitness experts will tell you is impossible.



They're wrong. By using scientific principles of metabolism and physiology, this plan will do just that."

Link: http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do...00012281eac____ (http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do?site=MensHealth&channel=weight.loss&cat egory=transform.2007&conitem=671b1d8690fd2110VgnVC M20000012281eac____)

I wanted someone knowledgeable to read it over, like venom or somebody. It basically sounds like the atkins diet with postworkout nutrition to me. They also seem to base their study mainly off of insulin and glycogen stores.

[Venom]

I'd be interested to read it sometime. I see volek is behind it. His research centers on low carb diets, with higher fats. Basically, there are not many diets today which don't advocate some form of carbohydrate cycling - either extremes like atkins, to moderate carb diets, to variations of carb cycles. There is more and more research coming out that high carbs, particularly combined with low protein is what regulates metabolism, and facilitates fat storage and various other physiological issues like insulin resistance.

If someone wants to summarize it that would be helpful.

[Whey Man]

I've read the Men's Health article. Basically, it's like the AD with more leniency for carb allowance. There's 5 stages. I forgot the names, but it can be boiled down to extremely strict, strict, less strict, lenient, and more lenient. The fatter you are, the stricter plan you stick with. Everone is called to take part in the extremely strict phase, which is 4 weeks with no refeed of anykind.

Different stages call for different re-feed strategies, and the more lenient stages allow for a PWO shake after a workout.

Also, re-feed days (for the stages that allow them) are just one day a week (except for the most lenient one, which is from Friday evening to Sunday morning). Only clean starchy carb sources are to be consumed, but ONE meal can be complete crap like pizza or whatever.

Edit - Here's the link...

http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do...00012281eac____ (http://www.menshealth.com/cda/article.do?site=MensHealth&channel=weight.loss&cat egory=transform.2007&conitem=671b1d8690fd2110VgnVC M20000012281eac____)


I think this is a better approach than the AD. It allows for more veggies and doesn't tell people to eat 8,000+ calories of garbage on the weekends, which IMO were the two biggest problems of the AD.

[LeoDeSol]

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I think this is a better approach than the AD. It allows for more veggies and doesn't tell people to eat 8,000+ calories of garbage on the weekends, which IMO were the two biggest problems of the AD.

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Don't want to derail, but I must say that this is not recommended by Dr. DiPasquale. He says specifically in the Anabolic Diet book that your carb ups should be the same amount of calories for the phase you are in but the macros should be 30-40% fat 10-15% protein and 45-60% carbs.

I see that a lot of people tend to forget or ignore this on the other forums I read about the AD on. Weekends you can eat anything you want, not any amount you want though.

Back on topic. As a fan of the AD so far, this diet sounds interesting. I may have to give it a shot for my next cut, I'm going to end this AD cut in 3-4 weeks and bulk through Winter.

[Whey Man]

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I think this is a better approach than the AD. It allows for more veggies and doesn't tell people to eat 8,000+ calories of garbage on the weekends, which IMO were the two biggest problems of the AD.

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Don't want to derail, but I must say that this is not recommended by Dr. DiPasquale. He says specifically in the Anabolic Diet book that your carb ups should be the same amount of calories for the phase you are in but the macros should be 30-40% fat 10-15% protein and 45-60% carbs.

I see that a lot of people tend to forget or ignore this on the other forums I read about the AD on. Weekends you can eat anything you want, not any amount you want though.



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Interesting...the AD people I've talked to never mention the part about staying at the same calorie range (the macro amount has been well documented). Good to know, thanks.

Edit - Ok, I just went over that specific section in his latest book (anabolic solution for bodybuilders). Those are the ratios like you mentioned, and he also suggests sticking with 25% addition to daily average of calories as a starting point. So not quite exactly the same amount, but pretty close. He then says you're on your own to experiment after that, doing anything from huge halfday loads, 2 full day strict loads, 1 full day load, etc. He's all about experimentation.

Personally for me, I'm finding that I can get up to 5,000 calories or so of "healthier" garbage and be fine (stopping in the mid evening), just as long as I'm not binging and actually have a set meal plan.

But anyway...back to the TNT. I guess after thinking about it, it's really exactly like the AD, just less specific and more demanding on overal strictness. So if someone decides to do the TNT, they're just doing a slightly less fun version of the AD. /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[bigpapa2126]

venom, the main point of what the article says about building muscle and losing fat at the same time is this:

"Now for the good news: Low glycogen levels change your body's response to insulin. When glycogen is low, insulin still signals your body to build muscle (given the right conditions) but it no longer blocks your ability to burn fat.

Why? Because your body is smart. It makes refilling your glycogen levels a priority, just in case of an energy-emergency. So it sucks any carbs you eat into your muscles to be stored as glycogen.

As a result, your body has to turn to fat as its primary fuel source. After all, if your body were to keep burning carbs, it would only be limiting its ability to replenish glycogen.


If your glycogen levels are low, it's like you have an internal traffic cop diverting glucose away from your gut and into your muscles.

So your muscle cells are in growth mode, but your fat cells are in breakdown mode.
You've created the ideal internal environment for remodeling your body."

[LeoDeSol]

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Edit - Ok, I just went over that specific section in his latest book (anabolic solution for bodybuilders). Those are the ratios like you mentioned, and he also suggests sticking with 25% addition to daily average of calories as a starting point. So not quite exactly the same amount, but pretty close. He then says you're on your own to experiment after that, doing anything from huge halfday loads, 2 full day strict loads, 1 full day load, etc. He's all about experimentation.

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Ah, interesting. He does not say that in the book I have. I have the original The Anabolic Diet that he wrote way back. I have heard that the newer ones follow the same principle diet but with some modern updates. I imagine I need to shell out some money to get these updates /forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif But so far the original is giving me good results too, and using forums to augment my knowledge will hopefully fill in the gaps.

[Whey Man]

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Edit - Ok, I just went over that specific section in his latest book (anabolic solution for bodybuilders). Those are the ratios like you mentioned, and he also suggests sticking with 25% addition to daily average of calories as a starting point. So not quite exactly the same amount, but pretty close. He then says you're on your own to experiment after that, doing anything from huge halfday loads, 2 full day strict loads, 1 full day load, etc. He's all about experimentation.

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Yeah, forums have pretty much everything you need to know IMO.

Ah, interesting. He does not say that in the book I have. I have the original The Anabolic Diet that he wrote way back. I have heard that the newer ones follow the same principle diet but with some modern updates. I imagine I need to shell out some money to get these updates /forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif But so far the original is giving me good results too, and using forums to augment my knowledge will hopefully fill in the gaps.

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