Steroids In Bodybuilding...

[lifting4life]

So I just got off the phone with a bodybuilder I met at a show that was representing a company-vendor. I've made friends with him and he just reaffirmed to me that besides so of the few drug tested orgainizations (NGA, IDFA, FAME, INBF) that all other bodybuilders use steroids...

Am I/we really that small of a amount of truly natural bodybuilders?... Really pisses me off...

He said to me.. yea all the big shows that get publicity and offers the guys all use. He said to get anywhere in bodybuilding just juice.

Any thoughts, comments??

Now I'm pissed going to sleep lol

[DirtbagDan]

Yes, he is correct. Organizations that don't test all have juiced up bodybuilders. There is not ONE, NOT ONE pro in the IFBB that doesn't juice. 100% of pro-bodybuilders in the IFBB use steroids. And it's true, people want (and want to see) massive physiques, so the only way to get there fast is juicing. Of course, you still have to have great genetics and put in a ton of hard work. Although with today's pros and how much steroids they use... it makes me wonder if they're doing the work, or they're making the steroids do the work anymore. Great bodybuilders of the past such as Frank Zane, Sergio Olivia, Mike Mentzer, Dave Draper, and many others all made great gains on only 2 Dianabol a day. They didn't let the steroids do all the work. But today it's seemingly the exact opposite with the nightmarish amounts they use.

To answer your question, the amount of pofessional natural bodybuilders is vastly small compared to the amount of steroid-enhanced pros.

Although, don't let the guy make you think all you need to do is pop a couple pills or stick a couple syringes and BANG instant muscle. The hard work, the good dieting, and the genetics all still need to be there, and infact moreso when you're on the juice. Steroids don't create, they only enhance.

[sucramdw]

I am pretty sure that Franco Columbo didn't use any steroids when he won the Mr. America or Universe.

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I am pretty sure that Franco Columbo didn't use any steroids when he won the Mr. America or Universe.

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Just like arnold and gary strydom didn't. All the pros juice, they have been for decades.The big difference between then and now, is that back then they were judged on size and aesthetics, not just freaky hugeness. They also weren't as ripped as they are now, because they weren't using diuretics to dry out the subcutaneous layer.

[l0stsheep]

Yep, unfortunately, all the pros are on steroids. And it's copious amounts, at that. For instance, A normal beginner will take ~500mg a week of test. or EQ, whatever, but someone like Ronnie Coleman will be taking upwards of 5 GRAMS a week.

Crazy stuff.

[DirtbagDan]

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For instance, A normal beginner will take ~500mg a week of test.

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Or even less than that. I always believe when it comes to steroids, start off at the lowest dosage possible. Each time you do a cycle, the body will develop more of a tolerance until it requires higher and higher dosages to induce gains.

There are certain self-proclaimed steroid gurus who are advocating megadoses of steroids going with the assumption that "If you're going to suppress your natural testosterone anyway, you might as well take as much as possible." That line of thinking may sound logical, but all you have to do is take a look at some of the champions from the 60's and early 70's to prove it wrong. Men like Larry Scott, Don Howorth, Sergio Oliva, Harold Poole, Dave Draper, Frank Zane and many, many more made outstanding gains using just a couple of Dianabol a day! And they accomplished it without the hideous side effects such as impotence, bloated bellies, and swollen nipples which are so prevalent among today's professional bodybuilders. That's because they knew how to train and how to eat. They didn't just let the drugs do everything. There's a valuable lesson to be learned there.

Naturally, gains won't be massive due to the minimal doses and abbreviated cycle length, but remember, smaller gains are much easier to maintain. It doesn't matter if you put on 30 pounds if you lose 20 of them. (In fact, if you put on that much, chances are you'll lose the last 10 as well because you'll be in such a catabolic state once you come off and "crash.") But a gain of 6-7 pounds in three weeks, that, the body can handle. Also, the shorter the cycle, the quicker the endocrine system can normalize.

[lifting4life]

What about these "steroid alternatives" oral forms that are suppossedly "legal in the US"??

[DirtbagDan]

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What about these "steroid alternatives" oral forms that are suppossedly "legal in the US"??

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Garbage. Don't work. Placebo effect. Period.

If they worked, they'd be banned. End of Story.

If you're talking about this 'D-Bol' crap made by SDI-Labs (I see it advertised in the back of popular bodybuilding magazines), it's garbage and doesn't do a thing. My buddy tried it, and it didn't do anything. Like I said, if it did anything, it would be banned.

If you're talking about prohormones, yes they work in similar pathways as direct steroids, but are not as strong as full-out steroids. They definitely pack a punch though and you can stack on alot of muscle with them. But most are banned. New ones keep coming out on the market, however.

[jth16]

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What about these "steroid alternatives" oral forms that are suppossedly "legal in the US"??

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Garbage. Don't work. Placebo effect. Period.

If they worked, they'd be banned. End of Story.

If you're talking about this 'D-Bol' crap made by SDI-Labs (I see it advertised in the back of popular bodybuilding magazines), it's garbage and doesn't do a thing. My buddy tried it, and it didn't do anything. Like I said, if it did anything, it would be banned.

If you're talking about prohormones, yes they work in similar pathways as direct steroids, but are not as strong as full-out steroids. They definitely pack a punch though and you can stack on alot of muscle with them. But most are banned. New ones keep coming out on the market, however.

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Whoa whoa, ok, lets talk before we've done some research...

There are several alternatives to steroids/PH/PS that are all natural that make a huge difference.
Try a Jungle Warfare/ B.A.M. cycle and tell me its a garbage placebo effect. Don't believe me? Run a search on the couple hundred logs you'll find. Also, a very popular cycle is Hyperdrol/Mass FX. All natural, no PCT, or support supps are needed.

And there really will never be an end to PHs. They can ban all they want. There have been five different versions of the same compound banned now, and guess what got released last week? The same thing, just under a different company, and bottle name.

Also, about your comment on bodybuilding back in the old days. I sincerely doubt they only "took a couple of D-bol a day" cause first off, you don't know the dosage of the pills, so two pills of D-bol could really turn out to be a lot, and two D-bol really doesn't add mass for very long, it causes your muscles to retain a ton of water so you gain 10-15lbs in like two weeks. It is mostly used to jump-start cycles due to the extreme liver toxicity and the lack of gains that will stay, unless of course stacked with some form of test.

Now don't get me wrong,I think more test/ steroids /etc are being taken by the bodybuilders of today, but I hate it when people talk about "the golden age" of bodybuilding, when "insert popular Mr.Olympia from 1985 and before" won he wasn't even on steroids and whatever.

One final thing, steroids don't do the work, they never have, and they never will. You could take double the amount that Ronnie, or Jay take and unless you have the genetics, and the 25/8 dedication they do, you aren't going to get big. And it will never come fast, I don't care what dosage of what compound you take, it will never come fast or easy.

Not trying to be mean, voicing my opinion, and getting some things straight.

[klosey]

any supplement ending in drol- is not likely to be 'natural'

[DirtbagDan]

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Whoa whoa, ok, lets talk before we've done some research...

There are several alternatives to steroids/PH/PS that are all natural that make a huge difference.
Try a Jungle Warfare/ B.A.M. cycle and tell me its a garbage placebo effect. Don't believe me? Run a search on the couple hundred logs you'll find. Also, a very popular cycle is Hyperdrol/Mass FX. All natural, no PCT, or support supps are needed.

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I didn't say prohormones didn't work. I didn't say prohormones were all placebo effect.

I said the steroid alternatives that are marketed as DIRECT STEROIDS were garbage. Go look up 'D-bol' by SDI-Labs. It's junk, yet they market it as an actual steroid that has zero negative side effects.

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Also, about your comment on bodybuilding back in the old days. I sincerely doubt they only "took a couple of D-bol a day" cause first off, you don't know the dosage of the pills, so two pills of D-bol could really turn out to be a lot, and two D-bol really doesn't add mass for very long, it causes your muscles to retain a ton of water so you gain 10-15lbs in like two weeks.

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Yes we do know, because various 70s and 80s era bodybuilders have told people in interviews what they took and how much. Arnold stated he used Primobolan. Primobolan is literally THE weakest steroid out there. Back then they came in 50mg tablets, and Primobolan is infact so weak that there are almost zero androgenic side effects. Most Dianabol tablets come in 5mg, but Dianabol is one of the strongest steroids out there. However, yes you are correct in that you can get different amounts in different brands of it. But in any case, most stack Dianabol with something like Deca Durabolin because as you said, the half-life of Dianabol isn't very long at all.


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Now don't get me wrong,I think more test/ steroids /etc are being taken by the bodybuilders of today, but I hate it when people talk about "the golden age" of bodybuilding, when "insert popular Mr.Olympia from 1985 and before" won he wasn't even on steroids and whatever.

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I never said anything about how a bodybuilder of the 70s or 80s was all natural when he won. If you're up on the Olympia stage, you're taking steroids. Period.

But one shot of 200mg of Deca Durabolin a week stacked with 2 Dianabol a day is PEANUTS compared to what the guys today take. And the difference shows in the physiques, too.

[jth16]

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Whoa whoa, ok, lets talk before we've done some research...

There are several alternatives to steroids/PH/PS that are all natural that make a huge difference.
Try a Jungle Warfare/ B.A.M. cycle and tell me its a garbage placebo effect. Don't believe me? Run a search on the couple hundred logs you'll find. Also, a very popular cycle is Hyperdrol/Mass FX. All natural, no PCT, or support supps are needed.

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I didn't say prohormones didn't work. I didn't say prohormones were all placebo effect.

I said the steroid alternatives that are marketed as DIRECT STEROIDS were garbage. Go look up 'D-bol' by SDI-Labs. It's junk, yet they market it as an actual steroid that has zero negative side effects.

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Also, about your comment on bodybuilding back in the old days. I sincerely doubt they only "took a couple of D-bol a day" cause first off, you don't know the dosage of the pills, so two pills of D-bol could really turn out to be a lot, and two D-bol really doesn't add mass for very long, it causes your muscles to retain a ton of water so you gain 10-15lbs in like two weeks.

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Yes we do know, because various 70s and 80s era bodybuilders have told people in interviews what they took and how much. Arnold stated he used Primobolan. Primobolan is literally THE weakest steroid out there. Back then they came in 50mg tablets, and Primobolan is infact so weak that there are almost zero androgenic side effects. Most Dianabol tablets come in 5mg, but Dianabol is one of the strongest steroids out there. However, yes you are correct in that you can get different amounts in different brands of it. But in any case, most stack Dianabol with something like Deca Durabolin because as you said, the half-life of Dianabol isn't very long at all.


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Now don't get me wrong,I think more test/ steroids /etc are being taken by the bodybuilders of today, but I hate it when people talk about "the golden age" of bodybuilding, when "insert popular Mr.Olympia from 1985 and before" won he wasn't even on steroids and whatever.

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I never said anything about how a bodybuilder of the 70s or 80s was all natural when he won. If you're up on the Olympia stage, you're taking steroids. Period.

But one shot of 200mg of Deca Durabolin a week stacked with 2 Dianabol a day is PEANUTS compared to what the guys today take. And the difference shows in the physiques, too.

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Right right, but a lot of prohormones are referred to as steroid alternatives so I assumed you were referring to them, but youre right anything from legalsteroids.com or anything that claims to be a legal form of a true steroid is garbage.

And simply because people made claims in interviews, doesn't mean a pile of beans. Ronnie could say he is 100% natural, but that doesn't prove anything.

That and an advanced bodybuilders wouldn't do a D-Bol only cycle, especially before a competition due to the amount of water retention.

Nevertheless, they took enough steroids to make a large difference is their physique and performance.