Amino Acid Shooter question

[Delz]

I was looking through the ingredients and notice that there is caffeine in the CN amino acid shooter. Do they make a version without any caffeine so it can be taken at night? I couldn't seem to find it in the store. If not, what EAA supplement would you recommend for pre-sleep or mid-sleep?

Yes, it's the blue one; the one with red packaging contains stimulants. Xtend by Scivation is a great BCAA supp and does not contain caffeine either and you could take that before bed.

[sucramdw]

Hey bro, when you go here - http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/aminoacidshooterindex.php

click on the down arrow in the "add to cart", where it probably says "energy booster", then click on the non-energy booster formula, this has no caffeine.

Hey Trillian, that product looks pretty good, however the big reason for the amino acid shooter is consuming Leucine along with the other essential amino acids. As a pre-workout drink or even pwo, it would be better to consume an essential amino acid drink then just a BCAA drink.

I may want to get something like that Xtend product to maybe consume along with some of my meals, especially since I am a vegitarian, however for a drink on its own, the amino acid shooter is a superior supplement.

[Delz]

Bingo! Thanks guys I found and ordered some of the non-energy booster version of the shooter. Just didn't see that drop down menu before. I was planning on taking this in the middle of the night because I always wake up naturally to use the bathroom and it seems to be a good choice for a mid-sleep shake mixed with some casein protein and EFA's. How many shooters do some of you consume in 1 day and at what times? My wallet will probably only allow 1 serving per day /forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif but I'm curious how you all use your amino shooter.

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Hey bro, when you go here - http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/aminoacidshooterindex.php

click on the down arrow in the "add to cart", where it probably says "energy booster", then click on the non-energy booster formula, this has no caffeine.

Hey Trillian, that product looks pretty good, however the big reason for the amino acid shooter is consuming Leucine along with the other essential amino acids. As a pre-workout drink or even pwo, it would be better to consume an essential amino acid drink then just a BCAA drink.

I may want to get something like that Xtend product to maybe consume along with some of my meals, especially since I am a vegitarian, however for a drink on its own, the amino acid shooter is a superior supplement.

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Yeah bro, I agree it's great the array of EAA's Champion's product has and I think the product is awesome. As far as straight BCAA supps, Xtend is the best one that I am aware of. It also contains B6 to help with absorbtion which is pretty cool. Slightly different products with slightly different applications. I recommend both!

[sucramdw]

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Bingo! Thanks guys I found and ordered some of the non-energy booster version of the shooter. Just didn't see that drop down menu before. I was planning on taking this in the middle of the night because I always wake up naturally to use the bathroom and it seems to be a good choice for a mid-sleep shake mixed with some casein protein and EFA's. How many shooters do some of you consume in 1 day and at what times? My wallet will probably only allow 1 serving per day /forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif but I'm curious how you all use your amino shooter.

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I dont know if you consume whey protein, however if you were to only consume this once a day I would definitely recommend it pre-workout, and consume a whey protein shake with fish oil in the middle of the night.

1 serving of the Amino Acid Shooter is 3 scoops which is 3 g of Leucine. It is optimal to have 2-4g of leucine per meal, so you could have 2g of the shooter pre-workout, and then another 1-2 scoops of it another time such as at night with your cottage cheese.

Check out the Leucine practical applications article - http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/leucine6.php

[XenoWang]

Primaforce Primal EAA is cheaper than Champion's amino shooter per gram and it contains more of each amino acid to boot. Not to mention it tastes great...

[sucramdw]

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Primaforce Primal EAA is cheaper than Champion's amino shooter per gram and it contains more of each amino acid to boot. Not to mention it tastes great...

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This is true, and I bought a tub, however mine contains floating residue on top even after blending it with a blender, does yours do this?

They are not quite the same supplement, the amino shooter has a few more ingredients, I analyzed them both in a thread here a little bit ago.

[XenoWang]

They are essentially the same supplement save for CN's inclusion of creatine and taurine as well as caffeine and glucuronolactone in the energy booster formula. But considering the fact that these are dirt cheap in bulk as well as the fact that some prefer a straight EAA supp, Primal EAA wins hands down.

As for floating residue, it should disappear within 10 minutes of mixing.

[Delz]

any of you sip aminos during a workout?

[XenoWang]

Food for thought on the issue of BCAAs vs. EAAs and whether leucine-induced protein synthesis will be limited without the immediate presence of other EAAs in a supplement (Quoting Layne Norton):

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All studies done on leucine are done in a fasted state... thus your amino acid levels are low anyway... when you give leucine you stimulate protein synthesis and your body starts incooperating all amino acids into whole proteins in the cell... in order to do this it needs MORE of the other amino acids to continue protein synthesis, well in a fasted state you just don't have that many plasma amino acids and thus protein synthesis grinds to a hault. Bodybuilders are almost NEVER in a fasted state (maybe after an overnight sleep), so as long as you've had some protein source within around 4-5 hours of taking leucine chances are you will NOT experience a problem with limiting synthesis.

I also vehemetely disagree with the reviewer who believes that the precurser pool for protein synthesis is extracellular amino acids; Garlick has repeatedly shown in his stable isotope work that this is not the case.

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[President Wilson]

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All studies done on leucine are done in a fasted state... thus your amino acid levels are low anyway... when you give leucine you stimulate protein synthesis and your body starts incooperating all amino acids into whole proteins in the cell... in order to do this it needs MORE of the other amino acids to continue protein synthesis, well in a fasted state you just don't have that many plasma amino acids and thus protein synthesis grinds to a hault. Bodybuilders are almost NEVER in a fasted state (maybe after an overnight sleep), so as long as you've had some protein source within around 4-5 hours of taking leucine chances are you will NOT experience a problem with limiting synthesis.

I also vehemetely disagree with the reviewer who believes that the precurser pool for protein synthesis is extracellular amino acids; Garlick has repeatedly shown in his stable isotope work that this is not the case.

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well in detail heres the scoop.

1. He may be on to something on the amino acid part, in terms of BCAAs being effective. However, I do not quite concur with his notion of if you have consumed it in the past 4-5 hours you should be cool. Evidence suggests that you shouldnt wait longer than 2-3 hours.

2. He is partly correct in terms of intracellular amino acids. Ultimately it is the intracellular pool that is responsible for 'substrate' for protein synthesis. But where does this substrate get derived from? The answer is the extracellular pool, particularly when you see protein synthesis increase the intracellular pool starts to deplete, even sometimes when extracellular amino acids are increased.

3. The main issue we have with Extracellular aas is this: These are the signaling molecules which turn on the machinery to drive protein synthesis. In other words, without these the intracellular substrate is not going to be used at an optimal rate, or may actually lower. The reviewer therefore who states that
" extracellular amino acids are the rate limiting signaling molecules for protein synthesis (Wilson and Wilson, 2006) is correct in this statement, not based simply on replenishing substrate, but mainly because they trigger protein synthetic machinery.

Wilson, J. and G.J. Wilson. Contemporary issues in protein requirements and consumption for resistance trained athletes. Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition. 3(1):7-27, 2006.

[dashforce]

lol wow that would be so awesome to be able to state myself as a source. Rock on Pres, and thanks for the info.

BTW --

Big bump on Xenowang's post, though -- I think if you have 30-40 grams quality PRO, 3 hours later straight leucine, 3 hours later resume normal 30-40 g PRO meals, you're not missing out on much of anything as far as synthesis goes. Maybe lacking in the proteolysis/net balance category, though the AAs might elicit enough of an insulin response to prevent that.

[Venom]

Your knowledge of protein is insane, President. Layman would have loved to study with you!

[President Wilson]

Thanks guys!

I appreciate it!