Wikipedia Article on Steroids

[CelticKnot]

I don't do steroids but I recently read an article in the NSCA Research Journal on steroids. I have seen them ripped into pretty bad on this site. I was wondering what you guys thought about this (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1214580768278932315&q=steroids+hbo &hl=en)

and this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroids#Popular_misconceptions)

[Birthright1]

Steriods pro not going to kill you. But here at ABC we like to do things the old fashioned way, hard work. Maybe when i'm 60 i will start juiiceing so i can climb a mountian when i retire. We'll see. I always said if steriods kill people then Hulk Hogan would be dead along with Arnold, the Ultimate Warrior, big Louie, and about a million other wrestlers, body builders, pro athlets, and all those who use it legally in Europe. But what do i know i'm just a Pump freak.

[Birthright1]

and Greg Valentino, Carrot Top, Manfred Hobel, and about another hundred thousand girls who are juicing like crazy.

[DirtbagDan]

The truth is that the danger of steroids is blown way out of proportion and made a much bigger deal about than it actually is. The truth is that when used properly, and safely with all proper precautions taken, steroid use can be perfectly safe and fine, and in some cases even beneficial.

Everyone seems to associate steroid use with steroid ABUSE. There's a difference between responsible safe use and abuse. You can abuse any substance, it doesn't matter what it is. Heavy overuse of anything will land you in a world of hurt. I honestly don't know of a bodybuilder that CERTAINLY died from steroid use, to tell you the truth. Just a bunch of 'maybes' if the bodybuilder had some kind of health problems.

[CelticKnot]

Agreed.

[dalvare1]

a lot of people have doctor-supervised programs that work out very well for them. i agree that there is a gross misperception of steriods in the media and even by fellow athletes

[CelticKnot]

Any input by the mods? Boy this place seems dead of late.

[Adam Knowlden]

Its the end of the term bro. Some of us are studying. /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[CelticKnot]

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Its the end of the term bro. Some of us are studying. /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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Exactly, that's why you should be wasting your time here.

[ryancostill]

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and all those who use it legally in Europe.

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You think anabolic steroids are legal in Europe??

[DirtbagDan]

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You think anabolic steroids are legal in Europe??

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Yes, some European nations really don't care and have them legal. For example, in Britain it's illegal to sell, but legal to use steroids.

[ryancostill]

^^^ I dont think this is technically true.

They are class C drugs so not raned as highly as in the USA but it is still illegal to sell anabolics. It is not an offence to possess anabolic steroids for personal use, unless they are counterfeit. So police can arrest for steroid possession if they can prove the drugs are counterfeit (not prescribed by a doctor).

While there is alot of steroid use in Britain, it is in my experience more widespread in the USA. (I have lived, worked and worked out in both countries).

[ShowKidd]

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The truth is that the danger of steroids is blown way out of proportion and made a much bigger deal about than it actually is. The truth is that when used properly, and safely with all proper precautions taken, steroid use can be perfectly safe and fine, and in some cases even beneficial.

Everyone seems to associate steroid use with steroid ABUSE. There's a difference between responsible safe use and abuse. You can abuse any substance, it doesn't matter what it is. Heavy overuse of anything will land you in a world of hurt. I honestly don't know of a bodybuilder that CERTAINLY died from steroid use, to tell you the truth. Just a bunch of 'maybes' if the bodybuilder had some kind of health problems.

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I Agree, people run into the most problems when they are abused just like any drug, but are ok when used in moderation just like any drug.IMO

[Birthright1]

The way i see it is you have to ask yourself two questions, Most of what we talk about when it comes to taking legal supplements is how to change the way our body chemical reacts to these sups and our diet. We try to figure out how best to use these sups to get what we want. Some of the sups we try work some do not. Steroids do work. So the two questions. Do i want to use illegal drugs to reach my goals? If steroids were legal who here would not use them? I have the feeling that most of us vitamin giants and super shake makers would but they are not legal so we do not. With this in mind i don't really care if the brick house at the gym does or not i just hope he is smart about it. What we do is not (on a thinking level not a actual drug taking level) too much different. We creatine it up and shake and bake all day long to gain a couple pounds of muscle a week or month. Our viatim regiment to some out there is out of this world. We make sure to take this vitamin in the morning and this one this sup before we work out and don't take this one at the same time as that one. What we do is not that much different. The big difference is we are well imformed (thank you mods) and have our stuff down to a science. So of these guys taking roids don't have a clue what they are doing. They just do shat the other big guy at the gym is doing. 3 months on 1 month off mixing this with that without dirrection. To an outsider we are no different. Hell most of us have used more than one product that is now illegal. Some of us still do because we bought a lot of it before they stopped selling it. I loved my NorAndro 19 with DHEA. Cant get that any more it works to much like a steroid. Creatine might be next. You never know. All i'm saying is we should never think we are better because we don't put a needle in our (!@#$%^&*). We put our stuff down our throught. We are pill poppers that do it legally.

I don't condone the use of steroids i just don't see why they are illegal. With proper research and good judgement they could be used safely. Making them illegal only promotes missuse. How many of us taking ephedrine missuse it, probably none because we know what it will do. They don't.

[didymus]

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I don't condone the use of steroids i just don't see why they are illegal. With proper research and good judgement they could be used safely. Making them illegal only promotes missuse. How many of us taking ephedrine missuse it, probably none because we know what it will do. They don't.

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They are illegal because people do not and would not use good judgement/proper research. This misuse is very dangerous, hence the government protecting the public from itself.

[ShowKidd]

i read a few articles that stated the FDA and the AMA never wanted to ban them, they are not any harder on your liver than someone that drinks on a regular basis, ronnie,jay, and all the top pros are on cycle all year and do insane amounts of everything plus GH and they have been doing that for years. AAS are very hyped up (in a bad way of coarse) and they are all classified as bad or harmfull when the ones that are actually bad for you are the orals because they are bonded to the c17-apha molecule that when abused in extremely high doses over a long period of time will have a negative impact on the liver.

[DirtbagDan]

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i read a few articles that stated the FDA and the AMA never wanted to ban them, they are not any harder on your liver than someone that drinks on a regular basis, ronnie,jay, and all the top pros are on cycle all year and do insane amounts of everything plus GH and they have been doing that for years. AAS are very hyped up (in a bad way of coarse) and they are all classified as bad or harmfull when the ones that are actually bad for you are the orals because they are bonded to the c17-apha molecule that when abused in extremely high doses over a long period of time will have a negative impact on the liver.

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The only exception to the orals is Primobolan (the oral one, of course). Primobolan is pretty much as close to a perfect steroid as you can get in that it retains nitrogen extremely well (allowing for more muscle growth via the ingestion of protein) with virtually no endogenous suppression of testosterone. (If cycles are kept short). The drawback of Primobolan is that it won't produce "spectacular" gains. It's also expensive.

As I said, it's also the only steroid that's not liver toxic. the reason being it isn't 17-alpha-alkylated. The alkylated process is what prevents the liver from breaking it down, thus placing it under additional stress. The down side of a non-17-alpha-alkylated oral steroid is, the drug remains in your system for only a few hours necessitating several doses throughout the day. Primobolan tablets once came in 50mgs, which meant four a day were all that were required for an effective dose. Most Primo tabs manufactured today come in only 5 mgs! This makes it ideal for women but completely impractical for men. Forty pills a day at a dollar per pill is simply out of most bodybuilders' budgets.

[ShowKidd]

yep i herd that is a fav amongst soe bodybuiders because since it is a little weaker only being 5 mg that they keep there gains because it is a slow and steady thing.