Casein and ZMA at bedtime...

[gmarchini]

I am supposed to take ZMA 30 mins before bed but I am also supposed to have a casein shake(lots of calcium in it) before bed. Do I give one up? They do not seem to compliment each other but both are useful, I need direction.

Also, is mixing casein powder with milk redundant or does it make perfect sense(same protein source)?

[PoppinFresh]

Take the casein shake an hour or earlier before you go to bed, then take the ZMA right before you sleep. I'm not sure about hte timing, but you're def. going to want to distance the two by a fair margin, otherwise, you're going to have to cut one out.

[AMonte]

I take my ZMA and then I take my caesin 45-60 minutes after the ZMA. I still get the crazy dreams, so I guess it works.

[PoppinFresh]

You're not getting the full effect of the ZMA if you're taking casein 45mins after your zma. If you don't mind wasting your $$, I guess that works.

[DirtbagDan]

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You're not getting the full effect of the ZMA if you're taking casein 45mins after your zma. If you don't mind wasting your $$, I guess that works.

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How is that possible? Your ZMA is fully digested by then. I always like to have my shake before my ZMA, but on days where I was very busy and get home late or whatnot, I like to take my ZMA 1 hour before my shake.

[dashforce]

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I take my ZMA and then I take my caesin 45-60 minutes after the ZMA. I still get the crazy dreams, so I guess it works.

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Increased B6:
At least one preliminary study has found that this vitamin may increase dream vividness or the ability to recall dreams[2]. It is thought that this effect may be due to the role this vitamin plays in the conversion of tryptophan to serotonin[2].


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B6

The issue with calcium is the magnesium absorption (maybe zinc too?) but apparently the dreams might be a result of the extra b6. So if you're dreaming, it could be a sign that you're getting b6 but doesn't necessarily indicate absorption of the magnesium (which is key to ZMAs benefits).

[dashforce]

LOL @ EHOW.COM!!!

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How to Best Absorb Magnesium Supplements:

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STEP 2: Combine magnesium with calcium. The easiest way is to take a balanced formula of one part magnesium to two parts calcium.

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http://www.ehow.com/how_3954_absorb-magnesium-supplements.html

My goodness.

[PoppinFresh]

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How is that possible? Your ZMA is fully digested by then. I always like to have my shake before my ZMA, but on days where I was very busy and get home late or whatnot, I like to take my ZMA 1 hour before my shake.

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...and dash: lol @ that article. Hahahhaha.

[Ignoramus]

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LOL @ EHOW.COM!!!

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How to Best Absorb Magnesium Supplements:

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STEP 2: Combine magnesium with calcium. The easiest way is to take a balanced formula of one part magnesium to two parts calcium.

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http://www.ehow.com/how_3954_absorb-magnesium-supplements.html

My goodness.

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dude, this is not the first post abuot the magnesium and calcium thing. I have an idea but still am not 100% positive about how best to take these supplements.

[PoppinFresh]

Dash was making a comment on how clueless those people are.

[AMonte]

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You're not getting the full effect of the ZMA if you're taking casein 45mins after your zma. If you don't mind wasting your $$, I guess that works.

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So should I take my shake then ZMA one hour after?

[gmarchini]

Any adice on milk vs water with casein powder?

[PoppinFresh]

Monte: Try to give as much of a gap between calcium intake and the ZMA as possible. An hour would probably be ok :]

Gmar: If you're taking the casein before sleep, the milk might have more sugar than you would want to take before sleep if you're on a cut. Personally, I'd take water with the powder because I'm trying to shed about 10 more pounds.

Anyone else wanna chime in? :]


Btw, if I come off as a jerk, I don't mean to. I'd really like to see everyone on ABC get the best gains possible. <3 you guys.

[AMonte]

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Anyone else wanna chime in? :]


Btw, if I come off as a jerk, I don't mean to. I'd really like to see everyone on ABC get the best gains possible. <3 you guys.

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I could give it as much as a two hour gap, but would having caesin 2 hours before bed do me any good, or is that too much of a gap before sleep time and the caesin?

[gmarchini]

Monte, if you were gonna go with a two hour gap I'd go with the ZMA first then wait two hours for the casein.

Poppin - my thoughts exactly, thought I might be able to compound gains with milk but Ill stick with the original plan, thanks for the reassurance

Thanks everyone else for the input, I'm goin ZMA 60 mins before bed and casein 5mins before. I can rest easy now.