Difference between the amino acid shooters?

[zidion]

I was thinking of ordering some of the amino acid shooters from the store, but didnt know what the difference was between the care and the energy (non-energy) boosters.

Thanks
-Z

[Venom]

The only difference between energy and non-energy, is that the energy boaster formula contains:

Glucuronolactone: 350 mg
Caffeine: 110 mg

The core formula is the same as the energy boaster formula, with an additional gram of glutamine. All the ingrediants are listed at the bottom of this page, http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/aminoacidshooterindex.php

[zidion]

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The only difference between energy and non-energy, is that the energy boaster formula contains:

Glucuronolactone: 350 mg
Caffeine: 110 mg

The core formula is the same as the energy boaster formula, with an additional gram of glutamine. All the ingrediants are listed at the bottom of this page, http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/aminoacidshooterindex.php

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Thanks! I Just ordered some /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Venom]

Let us know how it works!

[knucks999]

I bought some of this stuff, and can harldy drink it. I think it tastes really bad. I have experimented with water volume and still no luck. How much water is everyone using with how many scoops?

[l0stsheep]

Weird.

I don't have the monayz to order some. But of the people who I have talked to who have had it, I have heard it tastes pretty good. Personal preference, I guess.

[thirsty_shepard]

I usually water it down pretty good. If I'm using the shaker bottle they send with it, I don't put more than 3 scoops in it. If I use the 5 scoops, I'll put it in a bigger water bottle and start drinking it earlier.

It tastes pretty good when it's not too concetrated, like most mixed drinks.

[kokokolo]

am I correct in thinking this a supplement I can take pre-workout without giving my body 30 min to digest as I would having a meal pre-workout?

[alkalinekid]

Has anyone tried this produect? Will it make a considerable difference in your workout routine?

[sucramdw]

I think it tastes fine, and it is a great taste killer of the all mighty HMB!!

[kokokolo]

the only thing I dont like about the shooters is the creatine.

to me that seems like watering it down because creatine is cheap and also Ive never heard of having creatine PRE-workout. That creatine could be glutamine or more EAA or more servings or something. not to mention some people have stomach problems with creatine, which makes it odd fore pre-workout.

[Venom]

alkalinekid

There are a lot of testimonies on the efficacy of this product. You an do a search in the nutrition section for many. And the science behind it is just ridiculous.

kokokolo

I would wait at least 10-15 minutes after taking this, before working out. This is to assure that the amino acids are elevated in the blood stream already. I think 20-30 minutes before would probably be optimal, though.

Yeah, it would have been smart if they gave people the option to have this WITHOUT creatine, as some don't like supplementing with it. And the addition of glutamine is something that we discussed with them; they added it to the core formula, but not nearly enough.

Concerning the efficacy of having creatine pre-workout, that is a big question that I would love to see more research on. A big theme in the scientific community right now is the importance of pre-workout nutrition. So having creatine pre-workout might actually have some advantages, if it is consistent with research on other supplements, like amino acids. In the next several years you will see a lot more pre/post workout studies, to test the effects of supplement timing. For instance, Prez and I are doing an experiment with HMB right now to test just this.

[President Wilson]

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Ive never heard of having creatine PRE-workout.

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In actuality the consumption of nitrogen based supplements pre workout is gaining rapid evidence for its efficacy. Especially due to the demonstration that creatine can enhance satellite cell proliferation. Combined with increased blood flow, and the stimulatory effects of exercise on satellite cells, this may actually be insanely beneficial

[Venom]

Looks like we got our next experiment lol. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[President Wilson]

No kidding,

speaking of experiments, I am collecting data on an EPOC experiment in the lab tomorrow at 6:30 in the morning! The things we do for science /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Better get some shut eye.

[God's_Warrior]

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No kidding,

speaking of experiments, I am collecting data on an EPOC experiment in the lab tomorrow at 6:30 in the morning! The things we do for science /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Better get some shut eye.

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Thats Excess post-exercise oxygen consumption (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_post-exercise_oxygen_consumption), right?

O, and btw Prez, you shoulda gone to Baylor. /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[President Wilson]

Yes sir, EPOC is just that!

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No kidding,

speaking of experiments, I am collecting data on an EPOC experiment in the lab tomorrow at 6:30 in the morning! The things we do for science /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Better get some shut eye.

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Thats Excess post-exercise oxygen consumption (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_post-exercise_oxygen_consumption), right?

O, and btw Prez, you shoulda gone to Baylor. /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Baylor is a great University, no doubt about it, and I seriously considered going, especially with Dr. Richard Kryder, one of the top scienctists in our field. Are you at Baylor? I have nothing but praise for them. They are truly one of the world's authorities in exercise nutrition

In actuality it was a difficult decision, and I had a lot of offers.
I was offered PhD programs in Exercise Phys / Nutrition, Motor learning and even in Neuro Science.

But, Florida's research, faculty, and research facilities for exercise nutrition are absolutely incredible, and they have really taken care of me, with an amazing fellowship, special security access to all the labs labs, and a sweet office. The other thing that my department is the Department of Nutrition, Food & Exercise Sciences

This means that we have both extensive exercise labs, and extensive nutrition / nutritional biochemistry labs. We are also the home of the head editor for the top exercise nutrition journal in (Journal of Exercise Nutrition and Metabolism - Dr. Emily Haymes). But now that I am here officially, I know I made the right decision. Even as I speak, I am preparing data for publication on an experiment we just ran on strength training and fibromalasia, and working on many others. So the publications will be quite extensive here.

Here is an overview of the research facilities

Research Facilities
The Department’s resources include leading-edge technology for each program.

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Biomechanics Laboratory - is designed to investigate the mechanics of locomotion using video analysis and custom designed force sensors. A main component of work completed in the lab involves the design and construction of specialized force transducers and the development of novel analytic strategies related to the energy cost of movement.

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Biomedical Research Facility - is the center for research in Nutritional Neuroscience at FSU. Departmental faculty members with laboratories in this facility conduct research on the role of nutrients in the brain that control obesity, blood pressure, neuronal survival, and gene expression. Some current efforts focus on the cellular and molecular roles of nutrients in the brain that control of obesity, blood pressure, neuronal survival, and gene expression.

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Exercise Physiology Laboratories - are for studying human performance, exercise metabolism, cardiovascular and muscle physiology. The two Exercise Physiology Laboratories are equipped for teaching and research related to the human response to exercise. The Research Lab contains computerized systems for the measurement of oxygen uptake, blood lactate and blood gas analyzers, an environmental chamber and a DEXA unit, in addition to various equipment necessary for biochemical assessments.

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Motor Skills Learning Laboratory - contains leading-edge facilities for single or multiple subject testing, large applied motor skill testing for gait and balance disturbances, chronic motor dysfunction, and kinematic analysis. The laboratory is equipped with an electronics workshop and 18 pentium class computers. The entire laboratory is networked via its own server so that across platform communication is facilitated. Undergraduate instructional labs are located in a separate facility.

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Nutrition and Food Instrument Laboratory - provides a setting for chemical, analytical, and microbiology testing and includes new and updated equipment. The laboratory complex also features a new Cold Lab that facilitates research requiring constant low temperatures.

In addition, the University has a number of core laboratory facilities that are used by faculty and graduate students including a Peptide Synthesis and Sequencing Facility, DNA Synthesis and Sequencing Labs, Hybridoma Lab, Cell and Tissue Culture Facilities, and Laboratory Animal Facilities

[kokokolo]

Hardcore ...

[God's_Warrior]

Right now I'm still in highschool. I don't know if I will go there though; I want to the best college possible, not just the most conveniant.

Those facilities sound awsome, but I still think you should have gone to Baylor so I could visit you without having to go Florida. /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[JTiger]

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the only thing I dont like about the shooters is the creatine.

to me that seems like watering it down because creatine is cheap and also Ive never heard of having creatine PRE-workout. That creatine could be glutamine or more EAA or more servings or something. not to mention some people have stomach problems with creatine, which makes it odd fore pre-workout.

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There has been alot of debate lately about creatine pre-workout and post-workout. I've use the shooter and liked it once I figured out to use really cold water to kill the taste. Once I finish my tub of XCEED, I'll probably go back to the shooter.

[zidion]

I just got it the other day, and I am drinking it right now before my workout.

It actually doesnt taste as bad as I thought. I dont like fruit punch, but this is pretty good.

I am confused on how to take it though. On the website it says to take 30mins before workout; but on the box it says to drink a little bit 10 mins before workout and then finish up within first 20 mins of workout. Which one is the most optimal?

[Venom]

Our reasoning for suggesting 30 minutes prior to exercise is so that amino acids are peaked during your workout. That is our current recommendation.

[zidion]

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Our reasoning for suggesting 30 minutes prior to exercise is so that amino acids are peaked during your workout. That is our current recommendation.

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so should I drink it all at once, or sip on it for the 30 mins?

ALso, I just got back from the gym after my fist time using it and I can honestly say I had the best workout of my life today . It could have just been random, or it could have been the AAshooter. I guess Ill be able to tell on my next workout. I was extremely pumped though the whole time and was able to max out all my exercises today. The last couple of weeks i havent really felt the exercise till the next day, but I am definetly feeling it now. I just totally dominated my muscles today /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

The only bad thing: it gave me the burps. Not just that, they were fruit punch flavored burps /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif But it was well worth it.

[kokokolo]

its most likely the caffeine.

the first time I supplemented with caffeine pre-workout I had the best workout of my life also.

[Venom]

Good job!

Either way should work, because the dosage is small (yet potent). Your body should be able to handle it.

[rnunez03]

for creatine consumption before workouts, what is the recommended interval before workouts? would 30 mins be fine? Also I usually take it PWO with my shake, if I take it before, can I take it with a glass of gatorade?

-R

[Venom]

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for creatine consumption before workouts, what is the recommended interval before workouts? would 30 mins be fine?

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Yes, that should be fine.

I am not a big supporter of having sugar right before short resistence training routines. If I were to have sugar before, I would also sip on sugar during the workout, to make sure that blood glucose levels remain stable. Definitely not conducive to metabolizing fat, if that is your goal.

[dashforce]

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Definitely not conducive to metabolizing fat, if that is your goal.

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So Venom -- does that make you a proponent of "morning cardio?" Not quite "fasted cardio" of course, but maybe just some leucine (in the form of AA shooter) to minimize catabolism?

Could you compare pre-workout (bulking) and pre-workout (fat-burning) nutrition with regards to the AA shooter?

[book]

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Definitely not conducive to metabolizing fat, if that is your goal.

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So Venom -- does that make you a proponent of "morning cardio?" Not quite "fasted cardio" of course, but maybe just some leucine (in the form of AA shooter) to minimize catabolism?

Could you compare pre-workout (bulking) and pre-workout (fat-burning) nutrition with regards to the AA shooter?

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the AA wouldn't lower cortisol though - which is why you should eat some carbohydrates/protein in the morning. Also cardio at a moderate intensity will severly deplete leucine levels, so you'd probably to take a lot larger amount or sip some during the cardio

[Venom]

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Definitely not conducive to metabolizing fat, if that is your goal.

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So Venom -- does that make you a proponent of "morning cardio?" Not quite "fasted cardio" of course, but maybe just some leucine (in the form of AA shooter) to minimize catabolism?

Could you compare pre-workout (bulking) and pre-workout (fat-burning) nutrition with regards to the AA shooter?

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Not sure how those two topics were related.

But I can't be dogmatic either way on morning cardio. I can say benefits and negatives to doing it.

Clearly, if you have essential aminos in the morning before cardio, this will do a world of good. I would highly advise that.

But like book said, you still won't be stopping protein degredation.

So you will probably metabolize a bit more fat in the morning; but you will also probably increase muscle catabolism to a greater extent. The differences are small, but additive.

Ultimately, an experiment needs to be done on this.