Morning After Pill

[sucramdw]

What is the Christian view and/or your opinion on the emergency contraceptive pill (morning after pill)?

[War5475]

Well I dont really see how your going to get an official or uniform answer on this. I suspect they would be all over the board.

The one thing I do know Is. I myself dont think its the thing to do. If you met this new girl last night. Your supply's were out so you just figured youd go get one in the morning.

Or your girl ran out of birth control and you were too lazy to go to the local supermarket/drugstore.

Now maybe If you girl was raped by a serial killer you might could somhow persuade me that it could be ok. But thats still a stretch for me.

Basically you would have to make me belive that by killing this one life you would somehow be saveing many others.

[XenoWang]

How exactly does preventing yourself from having the child of a serial killer mean you're saving other lives? I'm curious about that one.

In any case, the emergency contraception pill isn't named that way without reason. I highly doubt most people use it when they're "feeling lazy" or felt they could just take care of it later. I give most people more credit than that. I'm sure you can ask anybody and most will say failure of contraception (see: condom breaking) is the #1 reason for the emergency contraception pill.

As for my stance on it- well, I'm Catholic so you figure it out.

[kokokolo]

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Basically you would have to make me belive that by killing this one life you would somehow be saveing many others.


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how does the morning after pill work and how is it killing?

[War5475]

Well thats why im saying you would have to persuade me. I dont personally think its going to save anyone.

And Im sorry Xeno. Ill be straight. The only experiance I have with it is from people who didnt have birthcontrol. Or who have been raped. So I cant speak from vast experiance.

[XenoWang]

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Basically you would have to make me belive that by killing this one life you would somehow be saveing many others.


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how does the morning after pill work and how is it killing?

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The morning after pill is essentially the same thing as an oral contraceptive pill only the dosage of hormones is of a higher concentration. Different varieties can function such that ovulation can be inhibited/delayed (depending on when the treatment is administered during the menstrual cycle) or fertilization can be prevented. If fertilization occurs, I believe treatment can also prevent implantation in some cases (though how this scenario is in any way different than abortion is beyond me).

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And Im sorry Xeno. Ill be straight. The only experiance I have with it is from people who didnt have birthcontrol. Or who have been raped. So I cant speak from vast experiance.

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If you don't mind me asking- why on Earth did these people decide to have unprotected sex in the first place? Please please PLEASE don't tell me they simply felt like the risk wasn't very high or that they were "feeling lazy."

[War5475]

Well I live in a college town and I guess people get a little too drunk and either forget or forgo the use of birthcontrol till they think about it in the morning....

I dont get it either. Its just sad to me.

[rickck48]

Well WAR I thnk you pretty mcuh nailed that one on the head! It's a go do it run and get it later deal and I believe most folks will use it that way. Sorry but I thnk people are lazy and in some cases don't care. /forum/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

[kokokolo]

where I live the norm is cohabitation. People date a little, then move in together. Eventually they get lazy and one of them gets pregnant ( the female ) most of the time they didnt really want to have a child at the moment and a baby seems inconvenient so they consider the alternatives...

Now I dont think most people even think about the morning after pill, they just assume they didnt get pregnant :<

And I dont think adoption works very well, because who could honestly put their child up for adoption after they held their baby? honestly ...

So the only one that gets thought is abortion. I personally dont know anyone who has had an abortion but I imagine even if i did they would keep it a secret because people naturally know that this is shameful.

[War5475]

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where I live the norm is cohabitation. People date a little, then move in together.

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Man this right here is the problem. Thats why God didnt want us liveing together before were married. Things like this can happen. He's just trying to save us from all this pain and frustration and we just have to go run and stick our hand in the fire. Because we didnt belive him that it was hot.

[kokokolo]

I ergot to mention that most of the time they end up having a child or two, then splitting up. Like its nothing :0

at least thats what I see

[Down 2 Die]

I highly disagree with the posts of people saying that the morning after pill is used mainly by those who are lazy. This may be the case once in a while, but the morning after pill is very difficult to get. And yes, I know about Planned Parenthood, as my girlfriend and I regularly go there to purchase condoms. It still is very difficult to get emergency contraceptives, as it normally takes anywhere from 1-3 hours of waiting, an hour of paperwork, and then you receive 2 doses if you're approved.

[kokokolo]

I thought you could just get them...

anyway you can get condoms anywhere, why do you go to planned parenthood for condoms? are they cheaper?

Someone told me they do abortions there, that would make me uncomfortable.

[sucramdw]

I really appreciate your post, Down 2 Die. I also dont believe the pill is used as just a ton of free bees for unprotective sex. I guess I should have been more clear about my question.

There is no way to regulate dispersing the pill based on the reasons why the person needs it (unprotective promiscuous sex, condom broke, or rape) So right now, you have to be at least 18 years of age, and need a prescription. The FDA is in the decision making process to pass plan B, which is to have the pill sold over the counter; that is, next to the toothpaste. A problem also is that even if you do have a prescription, any pharmasist can deny you the pill based on their beliefs.

So, since you cannot regulate the reasons why a person needs it, I think that saying women just use it irrationally because they dont want to buy condoms or get drunk and are not responsible are moot points, because there only has to be 1 good reason to use the pill in order to make it a needed for accessability. This brings me to my next point.

So some good reasons would be rape and the condom breaking. Now its important to note that this is not abortion in the usual sense of the definition. However the reason why I posted it here and wanted a Christian standpoint was because I was wondering if you thought it was ok to cancel the process of conception after it has started.

[jeffrobodean]

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I was wondering if you thought it was ok to cancel the process of conception after it has started.

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Putting that way is an excellent point sucramdw. I think God is the only one who should make that decision.

[Down 2 Die]

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I thought you could just get them...

anyway you can get condoms anywhere, why do you go to planned parenthood for condoms? are they cheaper?

Someone told me they do abortions there, that would make me uncomfortable.

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Yes, the condoms at Planned Parenthood are far cheaper because you don't pay for the box. If you go to a grocery store you will probably pay between $7-12 for a box of 12 Trojans, whereas at Planned Parenthood it's $1 for 12 Trojans. The difference in pricing is due to the fact that the packaging is advertisement and costs more than the condoms to produce.

And no, they don't perform abortions there. They have physicians who will perform pregnancy tests, as well as tests for HIV and sexually transmitted diseases. An ex close friend of my girlfriend and I thought she was pregnant so we took her there to get a test (which is provided for free) and they found that she was indeed pregnant. At this point they talk to the involved parties about different options to be made. She decided to get an abortion, and then only a month following the procedure had unprotected sex with her boyfriend again, which is when my girl and I decided we needed to get away from this girl.

Planned Parenthood is a creepy place though, just because there's something disgusting about sex clinics like that. It's very secretive (you have to ring in from outside and tell them what you want, then they unlock the door), and once inside, the air is so thick you can feel it in your hand. Seriously, it's just people waiting to see if they or their girls are pregnant pretty much. Lots of fidgeting, crying, and long faces.

I'm glad I could help you some sucramdw.

[War5475]

Hey wow i was just told that if you tell them you dont have money you can get condems for free at planned parenthood.

[Down 2 Die]

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Hey wow i was just told that if you tell them you dont have money you can get condems for free at planned parenthood.

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Yeah, they will give you 12 free condoms along with 2 doses of emergency contraceptives and I believe some birth control as well. Are you saying this is wrong or that the poor don't deserve to have safe sex, but should instead be more exposed to disease and have an increased likelihood of pregnancy?

There is a long process involved in proving that you are not poor. They don't just give stuff away. I would say that if you are going to go that route you will probably spend upwards of 6-8 hours there to receive anything free.

[War5475]

I dont know cause ive never done it now seen it done. But again I was told its pretty quick.... Pretty much in and out. I cant verify the info but I dont know why they would lie about it.

[l0stsheep]

Well, I am against contraceptives of any kind, so I don't like the morning after pill. I am reminded of Proverbs 16:33:

"We may throw the dice, but the LORD determines how they fall." (NLT)

[tarheelsykes]

sucramdw,
getting back to your original question, it depends on your view of when life begins. personally, I believe that life begins at point of conception, so to take a pill that may stop a pregnancy after that is abortion to me, so I see it as no different, and as something that I do not agree with.

[Adam Knowlden]

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you saying this is wrong or that the poor don't deserve to have safe sex, but should instead be more exposed to disease and have an increased likelihood of pregnancy?


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Hi Down to Die! Thank you for your honesty in responding to such personal issues.

I think it would be safer to wait until marriage regardless of economic status.

Abstianence until marriage is the only 100% safe method. All other methods are risky, and shouldn't really be categorized as "safe" in my opinion. "Safer" perhaps, but not safe. In my mind safe implies, secure and totally protected. Condoms are not 100% by any means. I have two friends who got pregnant even though they used condoms. Thanks God neither of the couples had STD's between them. But I would not even take that chance in this day and age. The statistics in this area are frightening. It really is like Russian Roullet.

Would these same people have the opportunity to have a blood test done for free at planned parent hood?

[sucramdw]

Hey Adam, thanks for entering the thread.

Could you expand further on your opinion pertaining to taking something which stops the conception.

If you thought abortion was wrong no matter what, would you also say that the morning after pill was wrong?

I have only thought about abortion being wrong if the fetus had matured to a certain level, however now I am thinking about it after conception. If you believe in abortion being wrong because conception has started could you provide some biblical passages that might help me understand?

Thank You, and of course the last question isn't just directed towards Adam!

[Down 2 Die]

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I dont know cause ive never done it now seen it done. But again I was told its pretty quick.... Pretty much in and out. I cant verify the info but I dont know why they would lie about it.

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I also have no reason to lie about this. I have been there several times. When I said 6-8 hours earlier, that may be more along the lines of a busy day. I spoke to my girlfriend about this and she told me that no matter what you'll be there around 3 hours. That's if there is nobody else in front of you. But everytime I have been there we've had to wait for around 30 minutes just to go up to the desk and buy condoms.


What's up Adam?
I do realize that abstinence is the only 100% safe method. I know that condoms break and that birth control and contraceptives can fail. I agree that the best idea is to wait until marriage. I really wish my girl and I had.

Yes I believe they could receive a free STD test there. Have them call and try to set up an appointment. If nothing else, the test will be considerably cheaper.

[JTiger]

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What is the Christian view and/or your opinion on the emergency contraceptive pill (morning after pill)?

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As a Christian I think it is akin to abortion. To me, it doesn't matter if the baby is a day old or 3 three months old. Murder is murder. This is just my opinion.

[sucramdw]

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What is the Christian view and/or your opinion on the emergency contraceptive pill (morning after pill)?

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As a Christian I think it is akin to abortion. To me, it doesn't matter if the baby is a day old or 3 three months old. Murder is murder. This is just my opinion.

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Your example looks like once the mother has given birth already...(1 day vs 3 months), and this of course is the concensus.

My last question was towards the cancellation of conception once its started, and biblical evidence for this.

[JTiger]

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What is the Christian view and/or your opinion on the emergency contraceptive pill (morning after pill)?

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As a Christian I think it is akin to abortion. To me, it doesn't matter if the baby is a day old or 3 three months old. Murder is murder. This is just my opinion.

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Your example looks like once the mother has given birth already...(1 day vs 3 months), and this of course is the concensus.

My last question was towards the cancellation of conception once its started, and biblical evidence for this.

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I believe that once conception has started it is a life. My Biblical basis for this is the following verses.

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You formed my inward parts;
You covered me in my mother’s womb.
I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
Marvelous are Your works,
And that my soul knows very well.

My frame was not hidden from You,
When I was made in secret,
And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed.
And in Your book they all were written,
The days fashioned for me,
When as yet there were none of them."

Psalm 139:13-16

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"The word of the Lord came to [Jeremiah], saying:
"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you;
Before you were born I sanctified you."

Jeremiah 1:4-5

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[ecto no more]

Planned Parenthood, in my town, most assuredly performs abortions...everyday in fact.

Here's a thought....people like to say "the miracle of birth"...but in fact the MIRACLE IS CONCEPTION....this is God's gift to us and our great responsibility...birth is just part of the miracle of conception.

[Down 2 Die]

After some research, I found that some Planned Parenthoods do indeed perform abortions. All of them refer and counsel for them. When my friend had an abortion she was only referred because they wouldn't perform it there.

[William Ustav]

To me, it is like this:

100% safe = abstinence

However, if a couple is married (as was touched upon earlier in the thread) I don't see why condoms should not be used. After all, family planning isn't that bad...

The morning after pill is something I haven't really studied or read about, so I'm interested in knowing more about it and its moral implications for sure.

[Crombie]

Taken from http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/morning-after-pill/AN00592 (""):

"Human conception rarely occurs immediately after intercourse. Instead, it occurs as long as several days later, after ovulation. During the time between intercourse and conception, sperm continue to travel through the fallopian tube until the egg appears. So taking emergency birth control the "morning after" isn't too late to prevent pregnancy.

The active ingredients in morning-after pills are similar to those in birth control pills, except in higher doses. Some morning-after pills contain only one hormone, progestin (Plan B), and others contain two, progestin and estrogen. Progestin prevents the sperm from reaching the egg and keeps a fertilized egg from attaching to the wall of the uterus (implantation). Estrogen stops the ovaries from releasing eggs (ovulation) that can be fertilized by sperm"

I cannot see taking the position of this being murder or killing anything - other than mistaking what the question is. Perhaps those who have mentioned murder/killing in the thread are mistaking this for the abortion pill?

[tarheelsykes]

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Progestin prevents the sperm from reaching the egg and keeps a fertilized egg from attaching to the wall of the uterus (implantation).

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My point is if this is the action of the morning after pill, and I realize that this is just one of three ways it can work, then that is stopping a pregnancy post conception, and that is where I have a problem with it.

[sucramdw]

To expand:

The progestin only method uses in 1 dose of 1.5mg, should be taken within 72 hours or as soon as possible for best results and is 89% effective.

To update everyone who is interested. Plan B was passed recently, which means girls with proof they are at least 18 can get over the counter emergency contraception (without prescription).

Article - http://www.cnn.com/2003/HEALTH/12/16/morning.after.pill/

I am not sure if it will be sold freely on the shelf, locked up like some pregnecy tests, or even locked up behind the counter of the pharmacist.

[rickck48]

Well my view is simple, it's wrong becuase it now gives the world a right for pre-marital sex,and i don't believe it's ok,,because sociallly it's accepted, and now they have the chance to do more,,so istand it's worng. /forum/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[sucramdw]

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Well my view is simple, it's wrong becuase it now gives the world a right for pre-marital sex,and i don't believe it's ok,,because sociallly it's accepted, and now they have the chance to do more,,so istand it's worng. /forum/images/graemlins/mad.gif

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Thanks for your input rick, however I must disagree on your points.

People have had the right to have pre-marital sex before and after a morning after pill. If people were forced to hold off on sex until marriage then it would take the entire point away. The gift God has given us is free will and the right to choose his path or the worlds path.


Also, the ECP isn't commonly used as a free pass to have unprotective sex, but is used when things go wrong such as a condom breaking or rape.

[William Ustav]

Seems to me peopel think morning after pills, condoms etc. are for use only outside of marriage. Why not within marriage?

Let's say I get married at 25, but want kids at 30. In that case I see no problem with pills and stuff.

Or?

[sucramdw]

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Seems to me peopel think morning after pills, condoms etc. are for use only outside of marriage. Why not within marriage?

Let's say I get married at 25, but want kids at 30. In that case I see no problem with pills and stuff.

Or?

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This is why I was asking when people thought conception started. However if you think conception starts just when two people come together as one in the act of making love, then you would either have a truck full of babies or not a lot of sex.

I think the ECP definitely makes sense to use in marriage but more so if something went wrong. Birth control would be a better option if you didn't want to get pregnant.

[Zee-German]

Woooohooo! Sex sex sex sex sex!!!!!!!

I dont care about pre-martial sex, but i mean if two people are going to have sex, they should discuss it. I mean, like men use a condom, id want my girl to use the pill. If you dont want to have any surprises.

[JTiger]

After reading some more on this topic I've found that the Plan B pill will do NOTHING if you are already pregnant. Basically it's just a huge does of a typical birth control pill. In that case I really have no problem with it.

However, I am concerned with younger adults that use this product and don't protect against STD's. I expect the clap to rise a bit now.

[ZEN MASHEENE]

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Well I dont really see how your going to get an official or uniform answer on this. I suspect they would be all over the board.

The one thing I do know Is. I myself dont think its the thing to do. If you met this new girl last night. Your supply's were out so you just figured youd go get one in the morning.

Or your girl ran out of birth control and you were too lazy to go to the local supermarket/drugstore.

Now maybe If you girl was raped by a serial killer you might could somhow persuade me that it could be ok. But thats still a stretch for me.

Basically you would have to make me belive that by killing this one life you would somehow be saveing many others.

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It's preventing a life from beginning, not ending one that already exists.

[klosey]

Well I dont really see how your going to get an official or uniform answer on this. I suspect they would be all over the board.

The one thing I do know Is. I myself dont think its the thing to do. If you met this new girl last night. Your supply's were out so you just figured youd go get one in the morning.

Or your girl ran out of birth control and you were too lazy to go to the local supermarket/drugstore.

Now maybe If you girl was raped by a serial killer you might could somhow persuade me that it could be ok. But thats still a stretch for me.

Basically you would have to make me belive that by killing this one life you would somehow be saveing many others.


prime example, adolf hitlers mother should of been made to take it

[spider-man]

hmm... This is sensitive.

Technically, you have about three days to take the pill. IMO, if something has no heartbeat, it is not alive.

But, you know man, sometimes girls, especially when they are young in thier teens, make a mistake, and by taking someting like tis they have a chance to make anew, and a chance at having a normal life. What kind of child hood would you have if your mom had you when she was 16? not too promising.... IT's good and bad, though, becaus some girls/guys just wanna start over and say WHOA!!! back up, im not ready to be a parent. While others just go, 'oh its ok we can bang all we want i gotta few pills i can take its all good'. Which is the bull crappiest thing i ever heard. Irresponsible completely. Although they need it though too, because no child should be brought up by a parent with that mentality...

So yes, i think its good for those with an honest heart. Bad for those who just don't give a crap.

[richnewton]

A huge percent of conceptions will fail to implant and result in a very early miscarriage anyways. The morning after pill simply makes it so that it cannot implant, it won't develop into a fetus, etc. People take too harsh a stance on some things. The world is not black and white.