Glutamine

[bucktheduck]

Bought a 1000 grams for really cheap. I take 10 grams with every meal. Taste is horriable. Best to spoon it and get it over with or mix with a shake. I know of the benefits of it but as far as I know, I can't tell anything. Again, as long as the funds are there I'll buy this stuff.

[Menace]

If you're taking in 10 grams with every meal...6 meals per day equates to 60 grams?! I would recommend limiting that to pre and post-workout only with 10 grams each.

[Awesome]

60 grams in one day is going to end up as waste. The glutamine article on ABC reccommends that it should be had post exercise (at the least) and before sleep and after sleep. Along with pre-exercise if you have the $ to spare for it. And if you take it at all those times, that's only 4 times. And those 4 times are only 1 serving (5 grams) not 2 servings. So ABC reccommends that optimal glutamine utilization would be about ~20 grams per day.

That's assuming you're not sick/overtrained/near overtraining. If one of these conditions is satisfied, the proportions should be doubled, even then the total for the day is only ~40, still 2/3rds of your 60.

You could save a lot of money and time by just going with the reccommendations on ABC. In the time you order 3 packages, you will only order 1!

[bucktheduck]

Prez Wilson and I spoke about this and he thinks taking it with every meal if fine and dandy.

[Awesome]

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Prez Wilson and I spoke about this and he thinks taking it with every meal if fine and dandy.

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He didn't say the extra would go to waste?

[bucktheduck]

Here is the exact words

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(6) Glutimine, every meal if possible. ( ithink its possible, I just bout a 1000gms of it lol)

Prez-I am with you on this one. In actuallity I am doing the same thing. HMB every meal and Glutamine every meal. Its just not worth losing muscle tissue on a cut, and both these hinder that possibility, along with the fish oil pills!

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I'm just guessing here but what I think he's getting at with my situation is it may go to waste but its better safe than sorry. Hince "Its just not worth losing muscle tissue on a cut"

[Venom]

You have to take into acount that the president and myself workout with weights twice a day, and do cardio in the afternoon. This means that for us, having glutamine breakfast, pre and post workout, and before bed, is practrically equivelent to having it every meal. /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Someone who does not train like us, would not need as much glutamine.

Optimally, I would have it in the morning, before and after your workouts, and before bed. That should help maintain your levels of glutamine. If you are on a very strict cut, and going very low carb, over trained, sick, or in some other catabolic state, then upping your glutamine may be advantageous.

[bucktheduck]

I need it with every meal. 6-8 meals per day. I'm pumping hard and long. Right now I couldn't imagine life without it.

[Qester]

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You have to take into acount that the president and myself workout with weights twice a day, and do cardio in the afternoon. This means that for us, having glutamine breakfast, pre and post workout, and before bed, is practrically equivelent to having it every meal. /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Someone who does not train like us, would not need as much glutamine.

Optimally, I would have it in the morning, before and after your workouts, and before bed. That should help maintain your levels of glutamine. If you are on a very strict cut, and going very low carb, over trained, sick, or in some other catabolic state, then upping your glutamine may be advantageous.

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Venom that being said, won't that much glutamine limit absorption of other amino acids? Not saying that someone who works out at that intensity wouldn't have depleted glutamine stores, but perhaps loading on glutamine before bed to allow maximum absorption of other amino acids during meals to make sure other deficiencies don't arise.


GNC brand glutamine comes with dextrose in it and makes it taste amazing.

[AMonte]

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GNC brand glutamine comes with dextrose in it and makes it taste amazing.

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Does it really? I have GNC glutamine, but I don't see anywhere were it says dextrose.

[Venom]

Qester

I have not heard that before. /forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif But if you run across any research on that, I would be really interested in reading it. Thanks!

[klosey]

i have been told that your stomach absorbs upto 30g of glutamine for itself in the stomach walls???

[Venom]

I do not think there is a limit per say; but yes, your stomach does absorb quite a bit of glutamine.

Is this a bad thing? No. Especially when low carb dieting.

Glutamine will readily be used as a substrate for replenshing blood glucose, glycogen, instead of using other valuable proteins for gluconeogensis (converting non carb substances to carbs). This is also vital for immune function.

But you will still increase muscle glutamine stores; and help spare them, because you will not be depleting them as much to replenish the needs of the GI tract.

Some suggested ways to enhance absorption in the musculature are:

1. Glutamine peptides may increase absorption. See our published protein article for information on this.
2. Having a lot of glutamine at once.

[klosey]

HEY VENOM just noticed you've answered straight after me in two threads you stalking me /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif lol

[Qester]

Venom;

Just got home from a 16hr shift and cracked open one of my nutrition textbooks quickly and found an answer; although i will look more specifically into glutamine.


"An excess of one amino acid can create such a demand for a carrier that it limits the absoroption of another amino acid, presenting the possibility of a deficiency."

"Single amino acids do not occur naturally in foods and offer no benefit to the body; in fact, they may be harmful. The body was not designed to handle the high concentrations and unusual combinations of amino acids found in supplements."

"Those amino acids winning the competition enter in excess, creating the possibility of a toxicity. Toxicity of single amino acids in animal studies raises concerns about their use in human beings"



Whitney, E., & Rolfes, S. R. (2005). Understanding Nutrition Tenth Edition. California:
Wadsworth

[Qester]

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GNC brand glutamine comes with dextrose in it and makes it taste amazing.

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Does it really? I have GNC glutamine, but I don't see anywhere were it says dextrose.

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I believe my glutamine is called "GNC Glutamine HT" Ill hafta check my gym bag tommorow

[Venom]

Thanks, Quester!

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"An excess of one amino acid can create such a demand for a carrier that it limits the absoroption of another amino acid, presenting the possibility of a deficiency."

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My question would be: what is an excess, and what about frequency?

For instance, most whey proteins powder have 5 grams of just about every single amino acid. So would all these amino acids be considered "in excess"?

If an excess is say, 20 grams of just one amino, stacked with a protein meal, that may make more sense. But that would not be what was suggested above.

So I need more specifics.

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Single amino acids do not occur naturally in foods and offer no benefit to the body

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ooohh...I think President might argue that. He is going to do a 6 part article on one amino acid--leucine--and it appears that leucine by itself may be what is stimulating protein synthesis among all the essential amino acids. But, there are numerous benefits to stacking it with other essential aminos that will be discussed.

Did this guy show any studies to support his statements?

Now, I have to go look for another one of kloseys posts lol...

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[Aftar]

Personally I found taking glutamine before training helped with fullness in physique somehow, not sure how but it definatly is a good supplement