Anyone Jewish of Muslim, or have knowledge on either?

[bennyhanna1]

Hey Everyone

I am doing a research paper on the Munich Massacre, and the Israeli response, part of the requirements is that we have to interview someone who knows more about something than myself...

so I have a couple quesitons...

For anyone who knows about either the writings or the lifestyle practiced by each faith, I was wondering what either have to say about murder, for the terrorists that mudered the Jews, and for the Jews that murdered the terrorists.

Were the Jews justified in their revenge? Or were they sinking to the level of the terrorists? From my understanding, Israel also sent air strikes onto suspected terrorist sites...


that's all i can think of for now, i'll check in here quite a bit throughout the weekend, because the paper is due on tuesday!

Thanks guys!

[TForce]

According to Jewish law, don't they have the eye-for-an-eye doctrine?

[psaturn]

It is interesting that one is trying to find a moral equivalence to the Israeli response to the Israeli Olympians massacre by the terrorists by saying: " for the terrorists that mudered the Jews, and for the Jews that murdered the terrorists.

It is like some people are finding the moral equivalence of the 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombing by saying the 9/11 was done by Muslim terrorists and the Oklahoma City by a Christian terrorist (Timothy McVeigh was not even a Christian!!!).

It is like it was established that 9/11 was an AL Qada's work, so we went after them and killed many of them in Afghanistan. Does that constitute murder?

War on terror, murder or justice?

Good question!

And Bennihana, NOT ALL ISRAELIS are Jews. There are Arabs (1.3 millions of them), there are Christians, there are Muslims, there are Jews, there are secular people...

and the Druzes and Bedouins do participate in the IDF (Israeli Defense Forces). I met some Druze folks in Haifa and they proudly showed me their home and pictures of their sons in the IDF.

[TForce]

Cleaning house on terrorism doesn't need to be labelled as revenge. It is simply police work. I know very little about this particular episode (Munich), so I won't say much about it.

[bennyhanna1]

From my understanding, the Prime minister at the time was Jewish, and the plan to assassinate the PLO terrorists was labled "Wrath of God"

anyone know what the Koran says about Murder? I believe that it does not allow killing like the extremists believe...

[Chiefo]

The Qu'ran is very..."hazy" about murder. I'm not an expert, and it's been a long time since I've done any work on that subject, however I will say that in many cases, it is labelled necessary, especially, but not limited to, cases of Jihad and holy war. Remember, Muhammed himself led a holy war to take back Mecca in the beginnings of Islam's history, but it was, of course, labelled a holy war.

As for the Israeli response to Munich, yes, Mossad did a lot of work and killed 20, I believe of the planners. Yes, the Mossad plan was codenamed "Wrath of God." As far as the Jews condoning it, that's complicated. Very, very few people knew about Wrath of God, the group that actually performed the hits were known officially only as "The Unit." Most of the hits were done on foreign soil. The Lileihammer hit was in Norway, and I think 3 or 4 more were killed in Beirut.
Yes, the typical Israeli response is to launch airstrikes against the offending nation. The problem with the Israeli response in this case is that many times there was no "government harboring terrorists" to track down and hold responsible. Palestine and the PLO, remember?
Another thing to keep in mind is that Israel is still a very young state at this point and many of the major members of the ruling party at the time participated in what would be called "terrorist acts" in the course of trying to make Israel a state. David Ben Gurion, anyone?

As far as information, I'm sure quite a bit of very useful, basic information can be gleaned from google on both the Jewish faith and Islam as well. I'm also positive that a little bit of research about the Munich response will also go a long way. If you get on it immediately, you might be able to e-mail a webmaster and use him for a reference.

Hope I helped a little,
Reg

[bennyhanna1]

That helps Chiefo, so say murder was acceptable in times of holy war (i'll research into that) then would most muslims condone the attack? would they consider themselves in a holy war at the time?

[psaturn]

Bennyhana,

Sorry I did not answer your questions in a way that helps you write that paper.

You have access to information on the internet in ways my generation never dreamed of having except to go to the local library.

You have to decide on your own how too approach that topic and then back it up with well accepted references.

I can start you with some references:

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_1967to1991_munich.php

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_online/news/2002/08/20/main/

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/990

http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/filali_ansary2/English

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/394360p-334193c.html

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/articledet.cfm?articleid=145

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/munich.html

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/calahan.htm THIS IS A GREAT LINK for military information...several pages LONG!

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/opspring.html

http://www.gamla.org.il/english/beres/28.htm

http://www.gamla.org.il/english/article/1999/nov/ler1.htm (mastermind of Munich Massacre to receive Palestine Prize)

and of course the infamous Wikipedia has one article on Munich Massacre:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Massacre

http://www.tikkun.org/rabbi_lerner/news_item.2005-12-25.1523571159

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/12/AR2006011201541.html

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3212336,00.html

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D539C2F4-AFC1-4656-A047-6DB9FFF638A9.htm

Communist view of the Massacre: http://www.workers.org/2006/world/munich-0223/

http://angryarab.blogspot.com/2005/12/spielberg-on-munich-humanization-of.html

http://adc.org/index.php?id=2684

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middlee...unich_olympics/ (http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2006/02/23/abu_daoud_no_regrets_for_munich_olympics/)

http://www.answers.com/topic/munich-massacre

[bennyhanna1]

thanks a lot, this is just a high school paper, so i'm not going to be needing tons and tons of resources, but i appreciate your help!

[bennyhanna1]

i've just been going down those links, thats an abundance of useful info, thanks again!

[psaturn]

Read up on all the info, then decide how you want to approach it and select the references that back up your point. If you want to, you can email me your semi finished paper and I can give you my opinion and give you suggestions.

I wrote good papers and I was a literature major and writing papers was one of my forte at school (and that was BEFORE the INTERNET!!!).

[Chiefo]

Hey man,
I see you sent me a PM but i can't reply because i don't have 150 posts yet. No mods yelling, I hope...but email me @ chiefosupremo@gmail.com and I'll give ya the info you need.

thanks,
Reg

[bennyhanna1]

i think i got everything, paper is done and handed in, thanks to everyone who helped!