feats of super human strength

[huskerwr38]

I was watching, I Shouldn't Be Alive, on the Discovery Channel, and they were talking about how people get these moments of super human strengths. Like people lifting cars that are on top of people, for example. Anyone know anything about this?

[Qester]

Yeah, the classic example is about a 110lb mother moving a car to save her child. From what i understand, in life and death situations, or while saving someone who means a lot to you you body releases a ton of adrenaline, and from there its mind over matter

[War5475]

Well seeing how my budies and I "power lifters" used to lift cars for money I can definitly see it. We didnt even have any adrenalin rushes.... /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif I cant even begin to think of what we would be cabable under those circumstances.

Oh yea to clarify i would give the money we won to whoever was lifting with me cause i dont gamble. But it sure is fun to have all the people whoopin and hollorin when you do it... /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[sucramdw]

There is a big difference between power lifters and mothers who dont workout. /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Coz]

There was an interesting story last August pertaining to this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/wear/4746665.stm

However, I would like to point out that many of these stories are urban legends so you have to weed out the false ones from the true ones.

Also, just because a car weighs 20x someones bodyweight, doesn't mean she is lifting 20x her bodyweight, there are many variables here and no matter how much adrenalin is running through your system there are physical impossibilities.

[Giladvalkor]

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Yeah, the classic example is about a 110lb mother moving a car to save her child. From what i understand, in life and death situations, or while saving someone who means a lot to you you body releases a ton of adrenaline, and from there its mind over matter

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Basically it's a small fraction of the Power of GOD bestowed up on you with his Grace in someone's time of Great need. It has nothing to do with how strong you are, how powerful you are or how smart you are etc... The Power of GOD is simply called a word everyone uses from time to time.... "A Miracle"

...but it's still rather interesting to say the least, I like hearing stories like this.

Giladvalkor

[War5475]

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Yeah, the classic example is about a 110lb mother moving a car to save her child. From what i understand, in life and death situations, or while saving someone who means a lot to you you body releases a ton of adrenaline, and from there its mind over matter

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Basically it's a small fraction of the Power of GOD bestowed up on you with his Grace in someone's time of Great need. It has nothing to do with how strong you are, how powerful you are or how smart you are etc... The Power of GOD is simply called a word everyone uses from time to time.... "A Miracle"

...but it's still rather interesting to say the least, I like hearing stories like this.

Giladvalkor

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WHAT HE SAID!!!!!!! /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[simple_guy]

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There was an interesting story last August pertaining to this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/wear/4746665.stm

However, I would like to point out that many of these stories are urban legends so you have to weed out the false ones from the true ones.

Also, just because a car weighs 20x someones bodyweight, doesn't mean she is lifting 20x her bodyweight, there are many variables here and no matter how much adrenalin is running through your system there are physical impossibilities.

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This is a false statement.

The Lord Jesus Christ told us in Matthew 17:20 -

And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

I can also go into the bible some more and pull out at least 3-5 more statements where Jesus speaks of the power of belief.

I believe it was very probably that somewhere in history there was a little old lady who lifted an "impossible" amount of weight, just because she knew without a doubt that she could.

[RobCannella]

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Oh yea to clarify i would give the money we won to whoever was lifting with me cause i dont gamble.

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Dude,....

Thats PIZZA money!

[Coz]

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There was an interesting story last August pertaining to this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/wear/4746665.stm

However, I would like to point out that many of these stories are urban legends so you have to weed out the false ones from the true ones.

Also, just because a car weighs 20x someones bodyweight, doesn't mean she is lifting 20x her bodyweight, there are many variables here and no matter how much adrenalin is running through your system there are physical impossibilities.

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This is a false statement.

The Lord Jesus Christ told us in Matthew 17:20 -

And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

I can also go into the bible some more and pull out at least 3-5 more statements where Jesus speaks of the power of belief.

I believe it was very probably that somewhere in history there was a little old lady who lifted an "impossible" amount of weight, just because she knew without a doubt that she could.

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I don't understand what part of my statement is false. Go lift a blue whale on your back and then tell me there are no physical limits. /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

What is an "impossible" amount of weight to you? That little old lady could have looked at 100lbs as impossible, which it isn't. However, if you think you are going to lift anything just because you believe you can then you should call Guiness.

[ryancostill]

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However, if you think you are going to lift anything just because you believe you can then you should call Guiness.

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Ha!! I'm betting many wont get this joke, but being Irish I certainly do! /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I agree with Coz. No doubt, strong faith in the Lord can allow people to perform the most remarkable feats of strength. But there is a limit to what the human body can acheive. There simply comes a threshold when bones, ligaments, tendons can no longer stand the strain imposed upon them and will fail. Depending on the individual this may be 100lb or 1000lbs but there is a limit. The boundaries are not infinite no matter how strong your faith is.

[kwood34]

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However, if you think you are going to lift anything just because you believe you can then you should call Guiness.

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Ha!! I'm betting many wont get this joke, but being Irish I certainly do! /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I agree with Coz. No doubt, strong faith in the Lord can allow people to perform the most remarkable feats of strength. But there is a limit to what the human body can acheive. There simply comes a threshold when bones, ligaments, tendons can no longer stand the strain imposed upon them and will fail. Depending on the individual this may be 100lb or 1000lbs but there is a limit. The boundaries are not infinite no matter how strong your faith is.

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What do you think it means Ryan? I don't get what you are thinking. Something to do with the beer?

Guiness is a worlds record book that is put out yearly here in the U.S

Oh, and I agree with what you are saying. Definitly a limit to human strength.

[ryancostill]

Coz could be reffering to world records but I think he is referring to this advertising campaign...


http://www.american-store.nl/Guiness_for_Strength_Horse.jpg

http://www.american-store.nl/vegetables.jpg

http://www.goots.net/images/BlogSpot/guinness-strength.jpg

[Coz]

Haha, I have seen that ad before but I actually did mean Guiness World Records. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Crombie]

Not to discount miracles, but I am with Coz here. Most of the cases of "Grandma lifts car" is really "Grandma pivots car on roof".

[ryancostill]

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Haha, I have seen that ad before but I actually did mean Guiness World Records. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Your humour works on so many levels then!!!

[Aidan]

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[ryancostill]

Lets be respectful of others views here.

Just to reiterate my point, so no-one thinks I am dismissing their beliefs as the previous post did:
I believe God can inspire individuals to extraordinary feats of strength that they wouldnt usually be capable of... i was however just arguing that the would be an upper limit to what could be acheived. It wouldnt be an infinite capability making them capable of moving anything (such as a blue whale to use Coz's example) as bodily structures such as bones, ligaments and tendons would give out.

[Coz]

Aidan, please do not break any forum rules. Respect the views of other no matter how much you might personally disagree.

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Lets be respectful of others views here.

Just to reiterate my point, so no-one thinks I am dismissing their beliefs as the previous post did:
I believe God can inspire individuals to extraordinary feats of strength that they wouldnt usually be capable of... i was however just arguing that the would be an upper limit to what could be acheived. It wouldnt be an infinite capability making them capable of moving anything (such as a blue whale to use Coz's example) as bodily structures such as bones, ligaments and tendons would give out.

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Totally agree. Faith in the Lord can help you do things you think are impossible but realistically if there was no upper limit we would all be moving planets. Our bodies can only handle so much.

[kwood34]

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Coz could be reffering to world records but I think he is referring to this advertising campaign...


http://www.american-store.nl/Guiness_for_Strength_Horse.jpg

http://www.american-store.nl/vegetables.jpg

http://www.goots.net/images/BlogSpot/guinness-strength.jpg

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LOL /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif Those are funny. I've never seen them before.

[RobCannella]

um, i like the Hey thats pizza money line,...

[simple_guy]

Coz:

Fair points, however, it is this same disbelief that will not allow you to lift a perceived impossible Can I lift 1000 lbs? Probably not, because I do not believe full heartedly that I am capable of it, and that I will do it.

Am I capable of it. Yes. In fact, I am capable of lifting a million pounds. How do I know this? G-d told me (and you) so.

Look at this piece of scripture:

Matthew Chapter 14:

[25] And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.
[26] And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.
[27] But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.
[28] And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.
[29] And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.
[30] But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
[31] And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
[32] And when they were come into the ship, the wind ceased.
[33] Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

You see, many people are similar to Peter because their faith is shaken. You must have faith in what the Lord has said. He said that we are capable of moving mountains if we truly believed we could. Put your faith in the Lord, and move a mountain today. Jesus is the Truth, the way and the life. The Truth created the universe. He knows what our upper limit of capabilities is, and He has said that we are capable of just about anything.

Again, Peter walked on water. However, most people today would say we are not capable of that, and it is impossible. But he did! It wasn't until he started disbelieving, that he sank.

I believe in you Coz, you believe in you.

[kwood34]

Simple_guy,

Believeing you will be successful in a task is vital to achieving that goal. However all of the faith in the world won't make you bench press 5000 lbs. If I am wrong then do it. You seem to be a man of genuine faith. Afterall, 5000 lbs is nothing compared to a mountain. Or are you saying that no one on planet Earth is a geniune believer? Everybody is an imposter?

[War5475]

faith, belief, is directionaly proportional to the age or era you live in. Samson did not let what is considerd possible or impossible to deter him from his tasks.

the same way you would belive that they were cured of cancer because of prayer. Do you deny its possible? Im sure you dont.

You cant limit God in anyway his power is infinite. Merly our conditioning and rearing have taught us otherwise. You would not have doubted the apostles in thier miraculas feats because they were somewhat common place. Here in this day and age It is not so common place. And we also have science to show us that its inpossible.

Our faith is stronger in some ways and weaker in others than our ancestors. In closeing i would you guys to please not limmit God to what he can or cant do. Because through him anything is possible.

[kprzCreation]

Grandmaster Ku Yu Cheong took 6 kickes by a horse, uninjured. Then killed it with one strike.

Then the was the Mighty Atom, who could rip metal apart.

[William Ustav]

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Totally agree. Faith in the Lord can help you do things you think are impossible but realistically if there was no upper limit we would all be moving planets. Our bodies can only handle so much.

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I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you here, Coz. We aren't talking about about simple things like "God gives you strength to study for your exam" or something like that. We are literally talking about moving mountains.

However, I believe the point that creates the discussion is HOW exactly we would move mountains. Obviously, the first thing we need (as stated by Jesus himself) is faith in God at least as big as a mustard seed. Which none of us have (maybe there are exceptions).

<font color="red">Mattthew 17:20

And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.</font>

The second thing we have to look at is that the human body alone has its limits - yes. But with God, literally ANYTHING is possible (we can't even understand this term completely, as ANYTHING includes things that our mind can't comprehend). If God was able to create the universe by His Word only, I can't imagine why He should have any trouble making me do things that are "impossible", like balancing a house on my finger while riding a one-wheeled bicycle.

<font color="red">Luke 18:27

And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.</font>

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[William Ustav]

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Simple_guy,

Believeing you will be successful in a task is vital to achieving that goal. However all of the faith in the world won't make you bench press 5000 lbs. If I am wrong then do it. You seem to be a man of genuine faith. Afterall, 5000 lbs is nothing compared to a mountain. Or are you saying that no one on planet Earth is a geniune believer? Everybody is an imposter?

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Not having the faith enough that Jesus talks about does not make you any less a believer, or an imposter. That's the key here. IF we had this little (a mustard seed is very small) faith, we would be able to do literally physically anything. But we don't.

Luckily for us though, Jesus knew that, and that's why He died on the cross for our sins and faults, and allowed us to go to Heaven to be with the almighty Father /forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[William Ustav]

And just to clarify - I did not say that any of these cases where a mother has lifted a car (or whatever) has been through divine intervention, as I don't know anything about that. I was talking about the Biblical perspective.

[simple_guy]

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Simple_guy,

Believeing you will be successful in a task is vital to achieving that goal. However all of the faith in the world won't make you bench press 5000 lbs. If I am wrong then do it. You seem to be a man of genuine faith. Afterall, 5000 lbs is nothing compared to a mountain. Or are you saying that no one on planet Earth is a geniune believer? Everybody is an imposter?

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Not having the faith enough that Jesus talks about does not make you any less a believer, or an imposter. That's the key here. IF we had this little (a mustard seed is very small) faith, we would be able to do literally physically anything. But we don't.

Luckily for us though, Jesus knew that, and that's why He died on the cross for our sins and faults, and allowed us to go to Heaven to be with the almighty Father /forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Exactly, brother Ustav. Thank you. I definately would not accuse someone of being an "imposter", or anything like that. That seems like something a Pharisee would do, and Im not like that. As you will see from my post, I also admit that I don't believe I am able to move a mountain due to my own self doubts. However, I definately am capable of moving, lifting, or even blowing a mountain away.

Brother War also made an important point worth reiterating in that with men many things are impossible, however, with G-d, nothing is impossible. This is written in the bible, therefore, it is fact. If you truly believed without a shadow of a doubt, not even a hair of doubt, that G-d made you capable of doing something, you could do it.

However, we are conditioned to believe that certain things are not possible for us.

For instance, a true story: I used to be extremely overweight, and I always believed that there was no way I'd ever be in good shape, or even attractive. I went through several years of depression and obesity. I didn't believe in the way that bodybuilding diets/routines can change you. Someone close to me went through a big transformation with bodybuilding, and I changed my set of beliefs. I trusted in the things that I read on sites like ABCbodybuilding, and I developed a regemine for myself. Just a few weeks ago I was looking at the cover of a men's magazine, and I saw a guy with his shirt off. He was very toned, and had a 6 pack. It was amazing, I looked at it and said "wow, I've made it. That's actually what I look like".

Long story short, if you never believe, you will never try. If you never try, nothing will ever happen. If you believe you can't move a mountain, you never will, because you will never attempt.

[War5475]

Amen brother William!

[4 His Glory]

Not saying anyone is saying this but we has humans tend to put God in a box and forget His magnatiude. The post should have read "Gods strength shown thru Humans" Everything is done for His glory not ours! So if me moving 5000 lbs of weight was ever to come along I believe that I would not even have time to think about it because that would give time for my fallen flesh to get in the way and cause doubt.

Are we like doubting Thomas? Do we need to see someone bench 5000 lbs to prove God is able?

[Giladvalkor]

Okay, what needs to be said is this....It doesn't matter how much faith you have, how far your belief and love for the Almighty GOD goes...and no matter how many prayers you say. That does not mean you will be able to go out there and lift 5000 IBs or more. Or some incredible feat of that nature. Because it's just not going to happen...It's physically impossible....but GOD uses us in ways that we don't even realize...As and example, let's go back to the 110 IB woman lifting the car to save her child. There's No Way she could have lifted that Car without GOD. It's physically impossible. So in that aspect GOD did not intend for that child to die. So through his infinite power and the womans love for her child, he gave her the strength to do the impossible just for that moment and time. For whatever reason we don't know. But I'm sure he has a plan for everything, GOD's All Knowing. Now that doesn't mean that same women can go and pray and pray and pray and then go and just start lifting cars. It just won't happen. It doesn't work that way. Some may say that it wasn't GOD...just that her adrenaline spiked way up beyond normal levels due to emotion, love, and the scare of loosing someone.....Well who do you think spiked that Adrenaline level up so High. Way beyond the normal human possibilites, just enough allowing her to lift the car, who kept her bones from breaking from the stress of the weight. True as humans our bodies can only do so much, but if GOD see's fit and need for it in his plan or desire...then he can SuperCharge our bodies in ways that would never be possible long enough to accomplish what GOD intends. I mean there are no boundaires for GOD...If GOD set him mind to it and intended for me to jump off a building tomorrow and start flying like a plane, which we all know will never happen and will never be possible...BUT...if GOD had a plan and needed it to happen...THEN IT WOULD HAPPEN. GOD HAS NO LIMITS!

Giladvalkor

[War5475]

Yep, Yep! /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[William Ustav]

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Okay, what needs to be said is this....It doesn't matter how much faith you have, how far your belief and love for the Almighty GOD goes...and no matter how many prayers you say. That does not mean you will be able to go out there and lift 5000 IBs or more. Or some incredible feat of that nature. Because it's just not going to happen...It's physically impossible....

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Wrong /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif God can make people defy physics in ways we cannot imagine /forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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but GOD uses us in ways that we don't even realize...As and example, let's go back to the 110 IB woman lifting the car to save her child. There's No Way she could have lifted that Car without GOD. It's physically impossible.

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Actually, I don't believe a "small" feat like that - deadlifting up a car just enough to get a child out - necessarily had a divine intervention. There's soooooooo much we don't know about the human body and all its mysteries, and there's even more we know about the human mind and its effects on the body. I'm just saying that we don't know anything - we don't know what's possible, and consequently we don't know what's impossible.

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So in that aspect GOD did not intend for that child to die. So through his infinite power and the womans love for her child, he gave her the strength to do the impossible just for that moment and time. For whatever reason we don't know. But I'm sure he has a plan for everything, GOD's All Knowing. Now that doesn't mean that same women can go and pray and pray and pray and then go and just start lifting cars. It just won't happen. It doesn't work that way. Some may say that it wasn't GOD...just that her adrenaline spiked way up beyond normal levels due to emotion, love, and the scare of loosing someone.....Well who do you think spiked that Adrenaline level up so High. Way beyond the normal human possibilites, just enough allowing her to lift the car, who kept her bones from breaking from the stress of the weight. True as humans our bodies can only do so much, but if GOD see's fit and need for it in his plan or desire...then he can SuperCharge our bodies in ways that would never be possible long enough to accomplish what GOD intends. I mean there are no boundaires for GOD...If GOD set him mind to it and intended for me to jump off a building tomorrow and start flying like a plane, which we all know will never happen and will never be possible...BUT...if GOD had a plan and needed it to happen...THEN IT WOULD HAPPEN. GOD HAS NO LIMITS!

Giladvalkor

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You're right about it being possible /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[kprzCreation]

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Actually, I don't believe a "small" feat like that - deadlifting up a car just enough to get a child out - necessarily had a divine intervention. There's soooooooo much we don't know about the human body and all its mysteries, and there's even more we know about the human mind and its effects on the body. I'm just saying that we don't know anything - we don't know what's possible, and consequently we don't know what's impossible.


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The way of the warrior has made you wiser Ustav-san /forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[William Ustav]

No doubt, cprzCreation-san /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif