Religious intolerance

[tom10]

Well I'm sure you've all heard the much unwanted group of Baptists from Kansas going all over the country showing how ignorant and inhumane they can be by welcoming these horrible events to happen.

Well these people now have the BALLS to come to MY TOWN where a tornado came and KILLED PEOPLE I KNOW and say that they are happy that the tornado killed them. They think it's God's wrath on us.

What do you guys think of this crap? I know they will not be wanted and a lot of people have said they're getting they're CO2 tanks filled up and buying quite a bit of paintballs. I talked to more than 50 today that planned on doing it and there are many more around my school. My classmates are not taking lightly to these statements and say they don't care if they get arrested and that these people need to learn to keep their mouths' shut. Saying I'm for it might get me in trouble, but I will definately say I am not against it.

[Kitosho]

It's not at all appropriate for them to do that IMO, but revenge isn't the answer either. Chillax, there's more important things to worry about.

[CrazyScott]

Let God handle this. It will all work out in the end you'll see, we all will. Remember - WWJD? Keep the peace.

[Mavrick]

kill them. Nuff Said.

[tom10]

Haha I don't intend on doing anything and my friends call me a hippie sometimes because nothing really ever gets to me. But this did majorly. Celebrating the death of innocents is never right in any way.

[Endless]

Their comments would get to me too, so don't feel bad about that! I agree that revenge is not going to teach anybody anything...I also feel that it's not a good idea for them (or anyone) to go around declaring God's will under any circumstances. None of us are capable of understanding what God's plan is, so no one should be interpreting what happens either. Just my opinion. If I were you, I'd just stay out of it.
-Endless

[John Black]

Did they actually say that? Are you sure it's not being blown out of proportion?

[JTiger]

Are these the same loons that have the website godhatesf**s? If so these people do not represent Christians. In my opinion, they are nothing more than a hate group. They have their right to free speech though, remember that. But if one of them gets on your face, you have every right to tell them exactly what you think of them. Do not resort to violence because you will sink to their level.

[Adam Knowlden]

First bro, it might help to be a little more respectful. Coming from a baptist background, I can tell you baptists do not think anybody dying is a "good thing". They do tend to be for the death sentence, but they don't see it as a "good thing" but rather justice. But that is another topic.

So the first step is to convey the message in a way that is understandable to us. I changed the title because the title was very unappropriate. I highly doubt you have much knowledge about the baptist denomination.

A better approach would be to ask in a civil manner instead of going on a tangent.

Also a link or something so we know what you are talking about.

[tom10]

Old School I am a baptist as well. When I said "those baptists" I did not mean as in ALL baptists but those baptists that are making these rediculous statements. That did sound harsh, sorry about that. I have a way of saying things that makes other people think I am saying something I am not. It is a problem that I have that I can't get rid of. It sounds okay to me and then when it is pointed out to me that it sounds wrong/bad I then realize it.

Yes John Black they did make these statements. In my local newspaper it has a quote that reads, "Thank God for the Indiana Tornado that killed 22, injured 230 ... We humbly pray for many such visitations of God's wrath on Indiana." That is quoted directly from the Evansville Courier and Press.

I can't send a link from the Courier because you have to be registered online but I'll look for another article.

[Leafy Green Vegetables]

Thats absolutely horrible. Just like its "God Wrath" that Ariel Sharon had a stroke according to Pat Robertson. /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[William Ustav]

Those guys can't even be called christians (I assume tom10 that we are talking about the same guys - those who "hate Sweden" as well, right?) They have a website, http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/ and the name of it (actually, they have many, including godhatesamerica, godhatessweden, etc) shows what they are...

And what's scary, is that it really is no joke. For example, when there was the tsunami in 2004, lots of swedish people were killed, and this ministry was openly happy about it and wrote how good it was to have so many swedish people killed at one time.

Heck, I know violence is wrong, so if I were you Tom, I'd just stand in front of them, looking in their faces, and if one of them would so much as even touch me I'd let them feel real pain. Because they sure won't listen to any preachin', that's for sure. /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[Bahir]

This is about as disgusting as the christian organisations who refused to give help to the tsunami victims unless the victims where baptised and converted first.

[tom10]

Yes there are the same people from [edit] Ignorant website [edit]

You can tell from their address that they are ignorant people. Does God hate? I don't see how.

[Giladvalkor]

I'm a Baptist and I don't think like this at all. I'm not even a believer in the Death Sentence. I think who are we to pass judgement and decide someone needs to die. GOD will handle it, I say, Don't Play GOD.

Giladvalkor

[tom10]

I agree. If they wish death onto innocent people because they believe that it needs to be done, then they need to wish death on themselves first. Hoping that God will kill somebody does not seem very christian-like to me.

[Visionbuilder]

Tom,
There are nut balls in every walk of life. There are people who believe sincierely that their pet hampster is an alien from neptune sent to spy on the human race for total extermination! (BBWWWWAAAAAHHHHhhhh ... oh sorry) Nut balls are nut balls let them discredit them selfs by the stupid things they say and do.
No one really pays attention to what neo-nazis say.
The "press" likes groups like this and gives them publicity because this group claims to be Christian, so it gives the "press" an easy story. First they don't have to do any work to get to the story, (the wack jobs are saying and doing stupid things out in public) and they get to stick it to real Chistians, also they get to chase seekers away from Christians and Christ.
So let the nut balls be nut balls, I mean really every one knows hamsters are from Pluto!! (and dont look now but cat has been eyeing you strangely lately)
Vision

[shtanga]

Please do not label me a person that is over the edge, but we have to really look at the bible and the working of God throughout history. Some of the statements made here about what God would never do is apparently made by people who have never really studied God's dealing with man through the ages as revealed in the bible. The truth is, there is judgment and the good die with the bad. What about acts chapter 5....that is even the new testament.

No, I am not for godhates........com, that is a reproach to the body of Christ. I am not referring to Indiana or even the tsunami, but the bible makes it clear there is the wrath of God.

As far as Ariel Sharon and Robertson's comment: I am not saying he is right, but the bible has a lot to say about God's land ( Israel ) and what will happen to those who try to divide it. Again, I do not endorse what Robertson said because I just do not know. However, because such a statement was made, that is no grounds to call someone a wacko, freak, hatemonger or non Christian.

[l0stsheep]

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No, I am not for godhates........com, that is a reproach to the body of Christ. I am not referring to Indiana or even the tsunami, but the bible makes it clear there is the wrath of God.


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Yes, but the point is that the wrath of God should come from GOD. Not from those who equally deserve wrath themselves if it weren't for the grace we find in His son.

I feel instances like these are what paul was trying to prevent when he said:

<font color="red"> For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. - Ephesians 2:8,9 </font>

<font color="blue"> for all have sinned <u>and fall short</u> of the glory of God -Romans 3:23(emphasis mine) </font>

No person has any right to pass judgement on anyone else, or say that God is punishing them. You could take the route of Paul where he would instruct and point out where people might be falling short. But this would come from a spirit of wanting to help them. Help them by bringing them back closer to God. I think some people forget that they deserve death and punishment just like anyone else does. I don't think a murderer deserves hell anymore than I do. He and I are both sinners. And I think that if people remember they they themselves are saved, and are thankful for that, then these "Holier than thou" parties wont happen any longer because no human is Holier than another. We ALL fall short!

But as far as this situation. I think peaceful action is the only thing you can do. If someone were to come against a non-believer, who has to reservations about hurting people, he would probably "beat up" whoever comes against him. So if thats what you do, return with violence, then how will you be any different than any normal person(and we all know Jesus didn't call us to be normal) It'll be hard, and you might need to find strength from God in order to be able to not return with violence(it would be my first reaction). But Jesus gave us the perfect example of what to do. When his family disowned Him, people spit on Him, when he was whipped and crucified for doing nothing wrong, he didn't retaliate. True, He was serving a higher purpose. But then again, so are you.

[CrazyScott]

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... I mean really every one knows hamsters are from Pluto!!

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My hamster is from PetSmart.

[Jrdouglas24]

Just be glad you live in Indiana. These people that you are talking about live in my city...Topeka, Kansas!!! At least once a week, you can see them and their little kids in front of some church, a country concert, or any other event holding signs saying "God hate's America", "God hates Fags", holding an American flag upside down, etc, etc, etc. Everyone here in Topeka has just learned to ignore them. Their family is full of lawyers and their whole mission is to fire people up. One of the picketers carries a camera so that whenever someone comes up to them, they can video tape what happens.
He got national attention back when he picketed a funeral for a kid who was beaten and killed for being gay. Either 60 minutes or 20/20 interviewed him and ever since then, he's been waiting for his next 10 seconds of fame.

[psaturn]

Sigh...

There are always loonies everywhere !

I even have it in my own church ! We have this pastor (he is not the senior pastor) who we go together to minister in Mexico. We are going to have an evangelistic campaign next week in the streets of Mexico. Well, he told everyone present in the meeting at the pastor's office in the Mexican church that if you are not tithing, please do not come and be part of the evangelistic campaign.

I was shocked to say the least.

I did try to say that I do not think that is correct and I told him that this was a form of legalism that he so despised and continually preached against, legalism.

I mean, I cannot imagine Jesus calling His followers and saying, you cannot be part of my group unless you are tithing...

And he added that if you are not tithing, then you bring curse to the whole evangelistic team...

And so we did have a heated discussion in the van on the way home....

I tell you, there are loonies everywhere. And I found out I cannot change them, even if I scream...LOL

Actually if one screams, one loses his cool. So I lost my cool and I apologized and I shut my mouth for the rest of the trip.

[Leafy Green Vegetables]

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Sigh...

There are always loonies everywhere !

I even have it in my own church ! We have this pastor (he is not the senior pastor) who we go together to minister in Mexico. We are going to have an evangelistic campaign next week in the streets of Mexico. Well, he told everyone present in the meeting at the pastor's office in the Mexican church that if you are not tithing, please do not come and be part of the evangelistic campaign.

I was shocked to say the least.

I did try to say that I do not think that is correct and I told him that this was a form of legalism that he so despised and continually preached against, legalism.

I mean, I cannot imagine Jesus calling His followers and saying, you cannot be part of my group unless you are tithing...

And he added that if you are not tithing, then you bring curse to the whole evangelistic team...

And so we did have a heated discussion in the van on the way home....

I tell you, there are loonies everywhere. And I found out I cannot change them, even if I scream...LOL

Actually if one screams, one loses his cool. So I lost my cool and I apologized and I shut my mouth for the rest of the trip.

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Horrible. Sorry you had to deal with that Psaturn. I would have lost my cool too.