The 10 most puzzling artifacts..

[Darius]

Some interesting reading here about artifacts and stuff. Makes us wonder if mankind has been here longer than we thought, or maybe there was something before us we dont know of?

The 10 Most Puzzling Artifacts (http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa011402a.htm)

What's everyones opinion about this?

[William Ustav]

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The Bible tells us that God created Adam and Eve just a few thousand years ago, by some fundamentalist interpretations. Science informs us that this is mere fiction and that man is a few million years old, and that civilization just tens of thousands of years old. Could it be, however, that conventional science is just as mistaken as the Bible stories? There is a great deal of archeological evidence that the history of life on earth might be far different than what current geological and anthropological texts tell us. Consider these astonishing finds:

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I'd like to talk to the author of that article and ask him just where "science" informs us that the Bible is mere fiction...

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The kicker is that the rock in which they where found is Precambrian - and dated to 2.8 billion years old! Who made them and for what purpose is unknown.

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Probably unknown as well are the dating methods with which they dated these to be 2.8 billion years old /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Measuring about nine inches in diameter, each had a circle cut into the center and was etched with a spiral groove, making it look for all the world like some ancient phonograph record some 10,000 to 12,000 years old. The spiral groove, it turns out, is actually composed of tiny hieroglyphics that tell the incredible story of spaceships from some distant world that crash-landed in the mountains. The ships were piloted by people who called themselves the Dropa, and the remains of whose descendents, possibly, were found in the cave.

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Interesting... they found some stone discs that they assume are 12000 years old, but now they - of course with infallible translation methods - found out that it is actually a message about spaceships? First of all I would like to know how these guys managed to decipher this detailed information (an ancient culture of which we know nothing about, and now we suddenly know how to pronounce their ancient secret hieroglyphics???).

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The Ica Stones
Beginning in the 1930s, the father of Dr. Javier Cabrera, Cultural Anthropologist for Ica, Peru, discovered many hundreds of ceremonial burial stones in the tombs of the ancient Incas. Dr. Cabrera, carrying on his father's work, has collected more than 1,100 of these andesite stones, which are estimated to be between 500 and 1,500 years old and have become known collectively as the Ica Stones. The stones bear etchings, many of which are sexually graphic (which was common to the culture), some picture idols and others depict such practices as open-heart surgery and brain transplants. The most astonishing etchings, however, clearly represent dinosaurs - brontosaurs, triceratops (see photo), stegosaurus and pterosaurs. While skeptics consider the Ica Stones a hoax, their authenticity has neither been proved or disproved.

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Now that however, is cool. That goes with what the Bible says - humans and dinosaurs have lived together!

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Fossils, as we learned in grade school, appear in rocks that were formed many thousands of years ago. Yet there are a number of fossils that just don't make geological or historical sense. A fossil of a human handprint, for example, was found in limestone estimated to be 110 million years old. What appears to be a fossilized human finger found in the Canadian Arctic also dates back 100 to 110 million years ago. And what appears to be the fossil of a human footprint, possibly wearing a sandal, was found near Delta, Utah in a shale deposit estimated to be 300 million to 600 million years old.

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Well... d'uh! /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Humans were not even around 65 million years ago, never mind people who could work metal. So then how does science explain semi-ovoid metallic tubes dug out of 65-million-year-old Cretaceous chalk in France?

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Umm... maybe the axioms with which they are working are wrong? Hello? /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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What are we to make of these finds? There are several possibilities:

1) Intelligent humans date back much, much further than we realize.
2) Other intelligent beings and civilizations existed on earth far beyond our recorded history.
3) Our dating methods are completely inaccurate, and that stone, coal and fossils form much more rapidly than we now estimate.

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^^Hello, number 3 /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[deevie]

The truth is that I'm a vampire that's several million years old and I placed those things to mess with human's heads. (No need to laugh, you would also be bored enough to do such things if you know you had millions of years to go)

[psaturn]

Great answers Will !!!

[psaturn]

Why don't we present these "facts" at the next arguments for the Intelligent Design vs Evolutionary theory at the local school boards..huh ?

[Growth In Motion]

E=MCsq (sorry no actual square button) has told us that the universe originated from the smallest and densist speck of matter ever called a singularity. A great force caused it to unleash its energy, resulting in planets, stars and us. Scientists dont know what the great force was. Some scientists say that this infact could be God. Whats everyone's opinions on this theory?

[John Black]

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E=MCsq (sorry no actual square button)

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E=MC² /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[JohnCrab]

Owned! haha

[Chiron]

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Owned! haha

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[William Ustav]

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E=MCsq (sorry no actual square button) has told us that the universe originated from the smallest and densist speck of matter ever called a singularity. A great force caused it to unleash its energy, resulting in planets, stars and us. Scientists dont know what the great force was. Some scientists say that this infact could be God. Whats everyone's opinions on this theory?

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The Big Bang theory is pretty much weird, that's my opinion on it /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif For more information why, read the discussions we have on that topic in the Bible Study index, or check out www.answersingenesis.com (http://www.answersingenesis.com)

[PUDDY]

I love this stuff! I know this is a Christian site and it makes me wonder. What would happen to peoples religeous beliefs if there was concrete evidence of extra terrestrial lifeforms in space, thru first contact, or government acknowledgement, etc. Does it prove there is no god, or does it prove that he is much greater than anything we have ever imagined.

I do not have any sort of religeon in my life and have little or no knowledge on specific religeous details. So I was just wondering how it would change your lives.

I personally believe there most definitely is life on other planets, perhaps more advanced than ourselves. I just wish someone could prove me wrong.

[tarheelsykes]

"it would be arrogant of me to believe that as great as God is, that we are the only creations in this universe"

Rev. Billy Graham

[TForce]

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I love this stuff! I know this is a Christian site and it makes me wonder. What would happen to peoples religeous beliefs if there was concrete evidence of extra terrestrial lifeforms in space, thru first contact, or government acknowledgement, etc. Does it prove there is no god, or does it prove that he is much greater than anything we have ever imagined.

I do not have any sort of religeon in my life and have little or no knowledge on specific religeous details. So I was just wondering how it would change your lives.

I personally believe there most definitely is life on other planets, perhaps more advanced than ourselves. I just wish someone could prove me wrong.

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God is everywhere, is eternal, is the life and blood of the universe around us. Many believe that what you see happening in the world every day is a work of God. The question is, do you accept that this is chaos or do you accept that it is driven by God? We have supposedly been given free will, though one can only wonder how much of an underlying grand design there is to everyone's motives, en mass. This has ventured quite a bit off the topic.

I would venture to say that we are all little bitty parts in a grand scheme, each doing are own little part, somewhat unaware of the Godly involuntary process that we are part of, somewhere between the "chaos" of pure, empty evolution and the voluntary tact of "intelligent design".

[l0stsheep]

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"it would be arrogant of me to believe that as great as God is, that we are the only creations in this universe"

Rev. Billy Graham

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"And the Lord turned and looked at Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how He had said to him, "Before the rooster crows*, you will deny Me three times."" - Luke 22:61

Now, now now...Before anyone jumps on me, hear me out. I am a big fan of Billy Graham, and of Peter for that matter. I have no right to say whether Dr. Graham is wrong or right, he can believe what he believes. Man is entitled to his own opinions, such is the design of God. These situations could be one in the same, though; pressured by the world Dr. Graham could very well have spoken something he didn't totally believe. I don't really know. ALL I DO KNOW, is that we, as Christians, better not look to other christians for the basis of our faith because, as shown with Peter, and possibly Dr. Graham, they aren't always right. (see Gal. 2:11-13 for another time where Peter didn't make the right decision) We should, rather, look to what GOD says in His word. And I will stick to the Bible and it's teachings which make no mention of other life outside of earth.

Now I am not passing judgement of Dr. Graham. Peter was still the leader of Jesus' "sheep" when Jesus rose, even though Jesus watched Peter deny Him, and knew Peter would mess up. Such is what it means to be human. Billy Graham is a great man, I just don't know if I can believe what he says there.

[William Ustav]

Let's put it this way - theoretically, should we now make contact with aliens that wouldn't really negate the Bible per se, as the question of aliens is rather clouded and most definitely has not been given a clear -undebatable- answer in the Bible.

However, if somehow we were to find clear irrefutable evidence of evolution, I would stop believing in the Bible, because it is that clearly against the theory of evolution.

There ya go /forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif My 2 cents.

[TForce]

I am firmly convinced that Cro-Magnon man could not build the Temple of Jupiter, that it was built substantially earlier than the Romans that are officially given credit for it, and that with all of these other odds and ends, something more should be included in our history books. The only thing we have to change is the wording of the beginning. Everything else is acceptable as history, given the differences in semantics over the ages.

What I would like to know is that, with all of this evidence lending to the credibility that there has been intelligence at work in the distant past far beyond what the aboriginals in our scientific record could create, then what happened to the makers of these advanced objects? Did a Great Flood kill them all off as described? Did they finally submit to the storms and leave the earth with the technology that they should have been able to have to escape it? Did they possibly come back and leave around the time of Jesus, once and for all? Perhaps came back briefly to command Mohammed to revelate?

I don't completely agree that any dating methods are accurate to within a 10-50% variant. Who could really know for sure? However, I also have to agree that they are somewhat accurate, at least within 50%. These little spheres in the gold mine are quite mind-boggling, though when you take into account what we know about the age of the universe, the possibilities are endless.

This group of authors (Sitchin, Alford, etc.) claim that these extraterrestrial beings came to Earth, mined gold in South Africa, and are supposedly still near, somewhere within a 3,600 year old orbits range. I will always believe that this part is complete nonsense. The idea that that they mined gold (and subsequently left these spheres) kind of fits in with the timing of the discovery of these spheres. If you dismiss the aging of the spheres, it fits in with their claims. There are really way too many variables to account for.

I don't believe that man could do a lot of these things without at least something to prod his mind. I mean, why build a temple with 20 ton blocks of stone 100' up in the air, even if he could do it. Why? There is no need for it. 20 ton blocks of stone 100' in the air just to glorify the god of lightning bolts? I don't buy it. Many of our cranes of today would struggle with that weight.

On a side note, regarding all of these authors, it is amazing how some people will state absolutely anything as complete fact, like they were divinely inspired to know that it is their place in this world to be exactly right.

In support of the Bible, I have to agree that much of it probably happened (except for that part at the beginning), albeit maybe not word for word, because God shows favor and sticks to his promises. This is why you should believe it.

[kokokolo]

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In support of the Bible, I have to agree that much of it probably happened (except for that part at the beginning), albeit maybe not word for word, because God shows favor and sticks to his promises. This is why you should believe it.

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wait a sec, so for some reason you think all the bible is true EXCEPT GENESIS ... the foundation of the book... thats not even logical, so you believe god gave us a divine book but someone made up the beginning?

oh also Ive read some stuff about how advanced these most ancient civilizations were and how civilizations long after them were less advanced, might it seem possible that technology was reset about 4,000 years ago by a global flood? It actually kinda sounds like it makes sense to me
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[TForce]

Yes, the idea of society reverting and progressing again has occurred to me, and is completely feasible. However, some of these feats are really beyond the scope of anything accomplishable without highly advanced, modern-day equipment, of which something, anything would have shown up in the fossil record more than the Antikythera mechanism, which was probably derived from technology that man did not invent.

As far as Genesis is concerned, I did not mean to imply that I do not believe in Genesis as a whole ... simply the first page. I could start expounding on a lot more topics regarding this first page, but it is highly debatable. I could easily take either side. It's just like another bottomless can of worms. I am led to believe that it is more fiction than symbolic, though there is probably lots of interesting facts behind it, if we could ever know what exactly happened. If only Mr. Sitchin could write in a convincing, intelligent manner, then the world might have a clue, though I am also starting to lean further and further away from extraterrestrial influence in the Bible, for the most part. Of course, maybe I should read the majority of it before I start talking about it. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[kokokolo]

heh dude I read zecheria sitchins first book, It was a little creepy, but I decided that what he was saying didnt rally make sense

[William Ustav]

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As far as Genesis is concerned, I did not mean to imply that I do not believe in Genesis as a whole ... simply the first page. I could start expounding on a lot more topics regarding this first page, but it is highly debatable. I could easily take either side. It's just like another bottomless can of worms. I am led to believe that it is more fiction than symbolic, though there is probably lots of interesting facts behind it, if we could ever know what exactly happened.

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I for one would be glad if you were to expand on what you just said, and explain in detail what you don't believe on the "first page" of Genesis, and then we can discuss it further and clear out any misunderstandings /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Because I don't understand how one can believe in all pages of the Bible but the first one /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[TForce]

OK, you want me to lay it all out on the table, I'll lay it all on the table.

In the one corner, we have Zechariah Sitchin sticking up for his Jewish family to the bitter end, writing all of these books meant to scientifically justify the wording of this first page - how Adam and Eve were created in a lab with refined DNA and were able to live so long because their extraterrestrial creators were able to live much, much longer, until gradually their DNA was watered-down enough with regular earthly DNA that everybody started living just as long as everybody else. This is all so easy to believe.

In the other corner, we have the doubting scientist crowd - all of those who take heed of the fact that much of the Torah is composed of oral history (much like Mohammed's story, interesting coincidence here), all of those who want a fossil of an 18' giant or even an 18'giant's bed, all of those anti-semitic Christians who don't believe in much of the Old Testament since a "good Christian" should never believe a murderous, story-telling Jew, and all of those people who don't believe in anything at all, all lumped into one corner, because everybody really likes to believe in something that makes sense, whether it's through symbolism, fact, or even lies, it just has to make sense.


Now, regarding this first page, obviously it is impossible for God to do so much work in 7 days, and I just don't believe that God had the capacity to grow clones out of rib cells way back when. Rib cells are so deficient in so many ways that the end-product just would not meet up to standards. Why am I even belaboring such obvious issues with the first page? This is a concoction, a starting point, a legal position derived from fiction, nothing more, nothing less, for that is, in essence, what the Old Testament is all about ... legal positioning on the correct way to live life. One can only wonder how much it has been changed and amended and polished and glorified and finally written down, just for starters. Sounds a lot like Islam to me. The parallels are there. I won't belabor the point though. I was just answering your question.

[DarKnlghT]

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OK, you want me to lay it all out on the table, I'll lay it all on the table.

In the one corner, we have Zechariah Sitchin sticking up for his Jewish family to the bitter end, writing all of these books meant to scientifically justify the wording of this first page - how Adam and Eve were created in a lab with refined DNA and were able to live so long because their extraterrestrial creators were able to live much, much longer, until gradually their DNA was watered-down enough with regular earthly DNA that everybody started living just as long as everybody else. This is all so easy to believe.

In the other corner, we have the doubting scientist crowd - all of those who take heed of the fact that much of the Torah is composed of oral history (much like Mohammed's story, interesting coincidence here), all of those who want a fossil of an 18' giant or even an 18'giant's bed, all of those anti-semitic Christians who don't believe in much of the Old Testament since a "good Christian" should never believe a murderous, story-telling Jew, and all of those people who don't believe in anything at all, all lumped into one corner, because everybody really likes to believe in something that makes sense, whether it's through symbolism, fact, or even lies, it just has to make sense.


Now, regarding this first page, obviously it is impossible for God to do so much work in 7 days, and I just don't believe that God had the capacity to grow clones out of rib cells way back when. Rib cells are so deficient in so many ways that the end-product just would not meet up to standards. Why am I even belaboring such obvious issues with the first page? This is a concoction, a starting point, a legal position derived from fiction, nothing more, nothing less, for that is, in essence, what the Old Testament is all about ... legal positioning on the correct way to live life. One can only wonder how much it has been changed and amended and polished and glorified and finally written down, just for starters. Sounds a lot like Islam to me. The parallels are there. I won't belabor the point though. I was just answering your question.

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You do know that Christians, Jews, and Muslems believe pretty much the same up to Abraham. Christians\Jews believe Isaac is Abrahams true son which leads to David and on to Jesus. Muslems belive Ishmael (spl?) was the true son.

Also the thing about anti-semitic Christians, in my opinion, you can't hate Jews and stillcall your self a Christian. After all, Jesus is a Jew, and all true Christians are Jews in their heart.

One thing I do some what agree with is the 7 days thing. I do believe He could have created everything in 7 days, but it could have been 7 years, 7 hundred years, or 7 thousand years.

II Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thins, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

You can also look at Psalms 90:4

Lastly, God is GOD. He didn't use "cells" from a rib. He took a rib from Adam and CREATED Eve. Just like He created everything else.

But, ya know, we could sit here and argue all day. If no one is willing to change views that is. /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[William Ustav]

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Now, regarding this first page, obviously it is impossible for God to do so much work in 7 days,

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So your god is pretty much not an almighty god?

Why do you feel the need to put human limits - such as time - on God? If you already believe in God, why not believe in the God that He says He is? Whenever a believer in God says something like this I get bewildered /forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[William Ustav]

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One thing I do some what agree with is the 7 days thing. I do believe He could have created everything in 7 days, but it could have been 7 years, 7 hundred years, or 7 thousand years.

II Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thins, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

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Fact of the matter is, it says 7 days - not 7 years, 7 hundred years or 7 thousand years. And the verse you quoted has no creation context. One day with the Lord is like thousand days, yes - but thousand years is also like one day /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif I.e. time is not a limit for God. It doesn't say that a thousand years IS one day, or that one day IS a thousand years. We humans are limited by time, but God is not. He created time. (if these verses were used as argument against literal 24hour creation days, then technically Jonah would have been in the belly of the fish for 3000 years, and Jesus not yet risen from the dead /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

In the book of Genesis, the days are 24-hour periods, nothing else.

See this article for more on the days in Genesis: http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i1/days.asp

[PUDDY]

I really don't know what I believe but maybe, just maybe, we evolved rather well, then the planet was invaded by space aliens and so badly destroyed that next to nothing was left of our existance, perhaps there were very few survivors who very slowly repopulated the earth back to where we are today.

It may sound crazy, but to me this is no crazier than an invisible person creating our very existance.

[TForce]

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So your god is pretty much not an almighty god?


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Au contrare. The God that works with me is always there, somehow, some way, through thick and thin, because He is right there, part of me, part of everybody, and as I am in unison with His will, He is looking out for me. This question sounds like it is right out of the story of Moses. Well, I won't back down because I don't need to. I was just answering your question, simply calling it like I see it, same as always. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[kokokolo]

wait a sec If god is almighty why did he have to use the rib bone of adam? why not just snap his fingers and say god created eve? hmmmm

[l0stsheep]

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wait a sec If god is almighty why did he have to use the rib bone of adam? why not just snap his fingers and say god created eve? hmmmm

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He didn't have to use the rib bone. But why do you think He did? Do you think there might be some connection, some underlying meaning by God using the rib from adam to make eve?

[kokokolo]

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I really don't know what I believe but maybe, just maybe, we evolved rather well, then the planet was invaded by space aliens and so badly destroyed that next to nothing was left of our existance, perhaps there were very few survivors who very slowly repopulated the earth back to where we are today.

It may sound crazy, but to me this is no crazier than an invisible person creating our very existance.

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that top part is kinda a funny story, I like all the twists and turns! That argument of your though I believe warrants a longer good reply to refute, as It might seem easy to believe that as you say it
"an invisible person creating our very existance"
might seem far fetched at first

[William Ustav]

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wait a sec If god is almighty why did he have to use the rib bone of adam? why not just snap his fingers and say god created eve? hmmmm

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He didn't have to use the rib bone. But why do you think He did? Do you think there might be some connection, some underlying meaning by God using the rib from adam to make eve?

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Exactly. That's the key to almost everything God does. He could have created us through millions of year, or in one second. But He did it in 7 days, for a very specific reason. Same reason why He created Eve out of the side of Adam. Same reason why Mary had to be a physical virgin. Same reason why Jonah was in the belly of the fish for three days. Etc. Nothing is out of coincidence. And the more you read from the Bible, the more you understand, and more and more pieces of the puzzle let you see the picture. And what a wonderful picture it is, indeed. /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif But without the pieces, you cannot see it, no matter how hard you try. You'll just see your kitchen table and a bunch of puzzle pieces in a box that says from ages 15 and up /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[TForce]

Thank you for the input.

[TForce]

Check out this perspective. What if the first writers of the Torah were revelators in their own right? Then, the face value could be respected and everything adds up, accounting for the creation of a familial microcosm at the beginning.

I may never be completely sure if that is the accurate way to portray it, though it does add up. The Temple of Jupiter is definitely too advanced for me to believe that mankind created it. I would really like to see a fossil of an 18' giant, or some prehistoric wreckage of a spacecraft or a bulldozer, or something, anything more than writing on the wall in ancient Sumeria, of all places. These 10 most puzzling artifacts should be evidence enough for me, especially when I factor in all of this other speculation that was derived primarily from ancient Sumerian tablets.

Suffice it to say that now I have all of my questions out on the table and I won't be selling the idea left and right, because who can really know for sure? Addition is so much easier to believe in for me than blind faith, though it perplexes me why Sitchin insisted for so long on certain things that have no scientific credibility whatsoever, yet made so many other valid arguments in efforts to back up the wording of the Torah.

In essence, we wouldn't be who we are today without help from the stars, despite however immoral some of them might have been, which most likely had its effect on mankind. We would still be sitting in a cave throwing spears at animals to keep us warm and feed us. Who can know for sure?

[kokokolo]

wow dude, you seem pretty sure of sitchin, its one thing to admit that your not sure how we got here, but you seem pretty stuck on this aliens thing...

One thing that gets me though, you realize this doesnt solve the riddle of how life began? I mean say hypothetically, we did get here because aliens came down and put humans here... It still would go back to creationism vs evolution right? JustIn this version this alien race evolved...

[William Ustav]

Bro, I honestly cannot understand exactly what it is that you believe in... it seems to me like you use ten phrases to say something that could be said with one...

Take this for example:

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Check out this perspective. What if the first writers of the Torah were revelators in their own right? Then, the face value could be respected and everything adds up, accounting for the creation of a familial microcosm at the beginning.

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Maybe it's just me who's either too tired, but I just can't understand the message you are trying to get through here to this discussion...

[Crombie]

Oh perhaps.. http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_loony.gif

[TForce]

LOL, it's all in there, this thread even, but I don't really want to continually make mountains out of molehills when nobody could know for sure. Kind of reminds me of this friend of mine, this Orthodox Jew who spent all of his money on a drug rehabilitation center in New York and got a letter from the 1st President Bush of the USA because he invented the term "Just Say No". Everybody thought he was crazy, probably because he spent all of his money on something that he would get no personal material benefit out of, struggling to support his family even. I am led to believe that God can make us do some things that could seem crazy to some, but have a definitely viable purpose.

Once again, I don't want to belabor the point, because I am quite well-read on the subject and there are numerous factors that I could go into that would seemingly go on and on and on, especially since I may never know for sure. I could keep asking all of these questions that most of you have no knowledge on how to support or refute, with the exception of what you read in the Bible. I don't want to make a big deal out of this. It's not my place in the world. This is simply what I have construed out of what I have read. Case closed. There are over a million sane people out there who believe that extraterrestrials are somewhere out there (in this solar system) ... right now, though I would not agree with that. I know of at least one CPA who believed that Jesus himself was an alien and she certainly seemed quite sane, though I certainly don't want to expound on that. Do you see the trend here?

[kokokolo]

well if shes sane and shes a certified public accountant she has to be right !!! lol

sorry I had to do that...

heh anyway I actually read sitchins first book and thought it was good. Kinda an enjoyable fantasy book on how things couldve haapened. But wrote in a way that people will take it seriously giving it that eerie feel. good read, but not real, thats my opinion.

Kinda like that book "dianetics" /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[William Ustav]

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Once again, I don't want to belabor the point, because I am quite well-read on the subject and there are numerous factors that I could go into that would seemingly go on and on and on, especially since I may never know for sure. I could keep asking all of these questions that most of you have no knowledge on how to support or refute, with the exception of what you read in the Bible.

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Just give me one example of such a question, but at least make it possible to understand the question, and which premises you are using when you are asking these questions. It can be quite difficult to try to answer them if you think God is a race driver, while I think He is an almighty being without limitations. As an example, haha /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif We just need to be on the same wavelength.

Also, what we read in the Bible is one thing, and what we study about creation/evolution is another.

And I'm not saying anyone is insane just because they believe in something different /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif I don't understand why you brought up the term sanity.

[TForce]

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Oh perhaps.. http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_loony.gif

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My polar twin here. Just kidding. Everything you say is duly noted and I don't really like to sensationalize your humor. If you have any questions for me, feel free to ask. I might answer. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[William Ustav]

^^Give me an example of a question that we here cannot answer properly... Please? /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

And as I said, please make sure you lay down your premises first too (i.e. what you believe that makes your question pop out, etc).

[kokokolo]

how much wood, would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck would chuck wood?

[TForce]

If a woodchuck could chuck wood, then a woodchuck would chuck all the wood he could.

[William Ustav]

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[kokokolo]

heh at least we agree on the woodchuck part !

On a serious note if you havent at least perused the bible studies... good info there

I tend to think we can know the existance of god intuitively, and all these other explanations of everything people choose to follow are because people basically dont want to change thier lives, and want to stay in a state of sin......

Dont ask me why people do this, but from experience I know this happens.