Steak

[Venom]

Every time I have steak, I notice almost immediately I have better pumps in the weight room, my performance increases, and most notably, my feeling of well being shoots up. Does anyone else notice this? President notices the same trend, and I have talked to several other athletes that do.

Our featured athlete…

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Jason Williams (http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/jasonindex.php), swears by steak. He says nothing else makes him grow like it.

What do you guys think the mechanism is that steak works through? The President and I have some thoughts, but I would like to hear your guys, first.

[ryancostill]

Very interesting thoughts! I perhaps dont eat steak often enough to notice such a difference.

I believe steak has a higher creatine content than most other meats. This might be an explanation for beginners or for those not supplementing with creatine monohydrate.

However in your case, this little extra creatine would hardly make a difference as through supplementation you are probably already up and the upper limits of total muscle creatine content.

Perhaps its just because it tastes so darn good! that drives up your feeling of wellbeing, driving up your self efficacy, improving your overall performance!!

[President Wilson]

Ryan,

I think your theory is one of the reasons why old school weight lifters, before creatine supplementation grew notably due to a great deal of meat intake, especially steak.

[Aytalian Tank]

didn't quite get u there wilson....... might want to finish the sentence

[jutt]

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didn't quite get u there wilson....... might want to finish the sentence

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what dont you get? /forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[cally]

I have seen recent research (I'll try to see if I can find it again) that suggests red meat produces a considerable insulin spike, this could be the reason for the increased pumps.

[ab74]

Good thing I saw this post. I just had 6 0z steak in dinner date with my wife(it's her birthday and I promised she'd pick the restaurant). It's actually my first meal with red meat after the 12 week program of just eating chicken breast and oatmeal. At least I won't die of guilt eating it! I'll check if it has the same boosting effect on me after I hit the gym tomorrow.

ab74

[huffytrain05]

ah yeah, steak does awesome for preworkout meal. I eat about 10oz eye of round steak and 10oz white rice 1.5hrs before training. Insane pumps and vascularity, especially when combined with NO-Xplode!!!!

[jutt]

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ah yeah, steak does awesome for preworkout meal. I eat about 10oz eye of round steak and 10oz white rice 1.5hrs before training. Insane pumps and vascularity, especially when combined with NO-Xplode!!!!

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why white rice?
And also if insulin spike create such a great pump why do we avoid sugars pre workout? /forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[John Black]

I've never really noticed any difference. Maybe I'm a steak non-responder. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif But then again, I never really paid much attention to it.

[stillflabby]

It's because it's so good, it makes us feel good, and that puts us in better mood to lift /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Could also be, that's just the way the design is meant to work.

When you eat meat you get all kinds of nutrients. To me, it symbolizes POWER. Red meat comes from powerful animals. It only makes sense that eating that would gain nutrients to provide your own power.

I think all the minerals contained within are crucial. Calcium, magnesium, copper, zinc...etc, all very important in basic functions.

It's just plain good!!! /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I like to get ground beef, I can get 96% fat free, then drain that. It's mostly just protein and minerals.

[dunno]

Do you take an iron free multi? I would still reccomend taking one but Beef is a muck better source of Iron and Zinc then chicken or tuna.

[War5475]

Man if i eat steak I just feel better all the way around. Better workouts everthing.

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[Gibbster]

Steak.......natural creatine, testosterone boosting Saturated Fats, High Calories, and just plain old eating like a MAN.

All contribute to the Steak Equation.

I am a Red Meat lover. I would eat steak 6 meals a day if it were healthy to do so.

[tarheelsykes]

several of the old school bodybuilders i knew would go thru bulks eating 3 steaks a day, their bodyfat didn't stay real low, but their strength and muscle mass went thru the roof.
of course I couldn't afford to eat three steaks a day ever!

[littleamazon]

I haven't had a lot of steak lately but..I am willing to try this theory on myself. I agree with ryan!


Amazon

[Kroenen]

If you think eating steak is good, then you should try eating ostrich(sp?) Even better IMO.

[book]

Maybe it's all the steroids used to produce that A-grade beef /forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Maybe steak has an amino profile make up that is more conductive for a muscular pump (like a higher amount of L-Arginine)? that's my guess.

[Kroenen]

^ Agreed, steak has a good amino profile.

[Mavrick]

i dunno about steak...but ive eaten alot of beef and pork roast with salads in past few days and my workouts felt great

[War5475]

Dont forget about Venison. Man that stuff is the bomb.
and huge protien. /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[TheShanMan]

Inclusion of beef in my diet is somewhat sporadic. I'm going to have to try making it a daily staple to see for myself because Venom's 4th horseman program is killing me right now! /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[sucramdw]

Anyone know if there are MCT's in steak?

[Obsidian]

Well, steak is just a cow...you know...that animal. Old school humans ate animals, birds, fish and plants. Eating the meat of an inimal gives you that animals power (ex:better pumps). If you're a man, you should be eating steak a few times a week anyway.

[Ratcat]

I love steak but I love lamb chops better. Maybe my body likes the extra fat in the chops for easier burning fuel, I'm not sure. I'll take cold chops to eat pre workout but then again I'll do the same with any meat. I like fish mornay pre workout or cold stew with peas and carrots in it. And cold onion rings and potatoes and I'd walk across hot coals for some cold roast punkin. And yorkshire pudding and I think I should stop there.
But I like steak too. /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Grizzly]

So after reading all these posts i'm starting to salivate at the thought of a nice juicy steak, question is what kind of steaks are you guys eating? I don't want to pick up a real fatty kind and waste my time.

[Gibbster]

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I love steak but I love lamb chops better. Maybe my body likes the extra fat in the chops for easier burning fuel, I'm not sure. I'll take cold chops to eat pre workout but then again I'll do the same with any meat. I like fish mornay pre workout or cold stew with peas and carrots in it. And cold onion rings and potatoes and I'd walk across hot coals for some cold roast punkin. And yorkshire pudding and I think I should stop there.
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Dude.....you eat a lot of cold food.

[Streetman]

You've all missed it. You're so hung up on thinking that carbs=energy you forgot that FAT is also an energy source. From my experience, a longer, slower burn than sugar preworkout. With carbs I'll hit a wall. However, an apple with an ample amount of natty PB? mmmmm....I'm going strong all workout.

Then spike it PWO, replenish glycogen IN the muscle.

But for PRE workout? Get some lipids in your blood already. Hey, I didn't think about cholesterol helping in the production of testoterone. Maybe some extra test helping as well?

Off topic: Filet is one of the fattier cuts. It's just marbled so you don't see a giant hunk of fat. Serious. Research it.

[sucramdw]

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Vitamin B12 – Cobalamin

Red meats such as steak are rich in Vitamin B12 (cobalamin). Their primary function are in the formation of red blood cells and help in the metabolism of fat cells, which make up the myelin sheath surrounding the nerves. This makes it necessary for maintaining the nervous system and brain function.
- Vitamin B-Complex (http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/vitaminbcomplex.php)
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It helps nerve cells, red blood cells, and the manufacturing/repair of DNA. It is vital for processing carbohydrates, proteins and fats, which help make all of the blood cells in our bodies. It also assists memory

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Iron

There are two types of iron, haem iron, and non-haem iron. Red meats are high in haem iron, which are more easily absorbed by the body. Iron is necessary for the production of hemoglobin and supplies the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood. Each hemoglobin carries 4 oxygen units: 2 alpha proteins and 2 beta proteins. Each protein has an iron heme, which binds oxygen units. Therefore iron is vital in the process of transporting oxygen to the brain as well as all the muscles in the body.



Zinc and Cholesterol

Red meat contains high levels of zinc, which is an essential trace mineral that has many critical anabolic effects and cholesterol, which gets converted into testosterone.
- Supplement Review - ZMA (http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/zman.php)
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Zinc
If you are deficient in this mineral you are seriously sabotaging your efforts! A deficiency will noticeably decrease muscle strength and endurance! Zinc literally promotes healing, tissue repair, and muscle growth. And as I was discussing earlier it helps to optimize and increase Insulin-Like Growth Factor 1, Growth Hormone, and the all mighty Testosterone! In addition, many of the enzymes that prevent the buildup of lactic acid (the "fatigue acids") require zinc. Doesn't sound like something you want to mess with does it? Exactly!

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In males the pituitary releases follicle simulating hormone (FSH) and lutenizing hormone (LH – even though lutenizing only occurs in females!!). FSH stimulates seminiferous tubules, which produce spermatozoa, and LH stimulates interstitial cells (also known as leydig cells), which converts cholesterol into testosterone. Low levels of zinc prevent the pituitary from releasing LH and FSH which would inhibit testosterone secretion.

Mood &amp; Memory
The hippocampus of the brain is known for its involvement in 3 types of memory: Working memory, declarative memory, and procedural memory. The hippocampus can be divided into at least 5 different areas, one of which is the “mossy fibers”. Zinc is found in these areas and when deficient, side effects such as a decline in memory and cognition have been exhibited. Reduction in fatigue and mood swings has been shown when supplementing with Zinc Sulfate.




Creatine

The measurements I found for creatine are as follows:
1kg of fresh steak contains 5g of creatine. 10lbs of steak is 20g of creatine.
There is roughly 1g of creatine in 8oz of steak. This amount is not significant to make any noticeable differences in a workout, especially with a current creatine user.



Arginine

The only specific amounts of arginine in red meat, which I found, are:
“The 420-g (14.78oz) red meat diet would have provided 7.3 g arginine compared with 1.04 g from the 60-g diet (24 ).” If my math is correct this would be 3.5g arginine for 7.4oz of red meat. However I don’t hold these findings to be 100% accurate so I am not going to expand on them.




Saturated Fat

Steak contains more saturated fat and thus maybe medium chain triglycerides, however I did not find if it definitely contains MCT’s.

Triglyceride means: Tri - 3 and glyceride refers to the ester of glycerol. Each triglyceride is different based on the length of the fatty acid attached to each glycerol.

MCT's contain only 2/3 the energy compared to a long chain fatty acid and therefore burn much more quickly. Long chain fatty acids such as flaxseed oil (polyunsaturated fatty acid) slow down digestion, with around 9cals/gram. MCT’s are shorter in chain length so they have roughly 6.8cals/gram. Unlike LCT, MCT begins hydrolysis in the stomach, making gastric emptying much more rapid. It also creates a much higher fat burning environment. There are three mechanisms, which I have read about that make MCT preferentially oxidized. MCT does not need carnitine transferase in order to diffuse across the mitochondria membrane, therefore they are much more likely to be oxidized for energy then be stored as fat. Lipoprotein lipase (LPL) is an enzyme located in the endothelial walls within muscle and fat tissue. The rate of TG uptake is proportional to the activity of LPL. MCT consumption have shown to lead to a lower adipose tissue LPL activity compared to that of LCT, showing a decrease in fat storage. Lastly, cytosolic fatty acid binding proteins lead intracellularly where the fatty acids undergo rapid activation into acyl-CoA. LCFA have a much higher affinity to these FABP then MCFA most likely because of LCFA’s hydrophobic properties.

Even though the MCT's does not need L-Carnitine for transport, a 6oz steak contains around 200mg of carnitine, which will aid in the other fats within the food for increased oxidation.

Satiating effect:
Cholecystokinin is a hormone secreted in the duodenal mucosa. Partially digested fats and proteins within the lumen of the duodenum is the greatest stimulent for cholecystokinin. This hormone was first termed pancreozymin but was later changed to the current term cholecystokinin, which means “to move gallbladder”. In lab tests, injection of CCK into the ventricles of the brain induced satiety. MCT’s have been shown to optimally raise CCK levels compared to LCT’s, which would reduce hunger however there are conflicting studies on this. Other investigations include the satiating effect of hyperglycemia. Compared to LCT’s, MCT’s illicit a slight hypoglycemic state. A reasonable explanation would be because Medium Chain Fatty Acids as well as Ketone bodies which are a hepatic production post MCT’s intake, have a direct stimulatory effect on the beta cell islets within the pancreas. This would induce a short satiating effect because of the hyperinsulinemic response of the beta cells. A collection of many variables, which I have not investigated enough, increases satiety through regulatory sensors of the central nervous system. Nevertheless many short term studies have shown MCT’s to have satiating properties.



Insulin like Growth Factor

Insulin Like Growth Factor (IGF-1) is a peptide hormone secreted mainly by the liver but also produced by several other tissues in response to growth hormone. In addition to its role in metabolism, IGF-1 induces cellular proliferation/hypertrophy. In studies on the consumption of red meats results found that both mono- and polyunsaturated fats did not play a role in the regulation of serum IGF-1 but the saturated fats from red meats were significantly associated with serum levels of both IGF-1 and IGFBP-3 levels. (Journal of Clinical Oncology, Vol 17, Issue 10 (October), 1999: 3291-3298)

The Growth Hormone - IGF Axis and its role in Muscular Hypertrophy (http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/ghigfaxis.php)
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the binding of IGF-1 to an IGF-1 receptor activates a tyrosine kinase, which sets in motion a series of phosphorylations, which lead to activation of various genes, such as those coding for myofibrillar proteins. Finally, there are six IGF binding proteins (IGF-BP), which IGF-1 is transported in when circulating in the blood. The dominant binding protein is IGF-BP-3 (Adams., 2003).

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Opposing studies have shown that high fat diets including saturated fats induce insulin resistance as well as IGF-1 resistance but upon further investigation there was a higher correlation to those individuals that were overweight and/or obese.





Conclusions:

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I have better pumps in the weight room, my performance increases

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Iron - Increases oxygen carrying capacity.
Zinc and Cholesterol - optimize the formation of Testosterone which is the king of anabolism!
Saturated Fat - Increase oxidative capacity from MCT's which increases metabolism and allows for a quicker pathway for ATP formation. Also raises IGF-I levels, which induces hypertrophy.

BCAA's
Finally, the most obvious anabolic part of red meat is its rich source of protein; more specifically, Branch Chain Amino Acids. BCAA's serve as a fuel source during severe stress on skeletal muscle, promote protein synthesis and even act as subsrates for gluconeogenesis which greatly suppresses catabolism (muscle breakdown).

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my feeling of well being shoots up.

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Iron, Vitamin B-12 and Zinc all increase brain function!

[TheShanMan]

Hey, what's a vegetarian like you, sucramdw, doing researching the benefits of steak? /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[sucramdw]

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Hey, what's a vegetarian like you, sucramdw, doing researching the benefits of steak? /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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I read your post and it made me feel like my research needed some sad transition pictures. /forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Whey Man]

As far as my favorites go...

Steak > cottage cheese > ground beef > chicken > turkey >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oats

[Venom]

Wow! I am very impressed by the knowledge spread in this thread! You guys are awesome.

Marcus, that was incredible!!!!


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MCT’s have been shown to optimally raise CCK levels compared to LCT’s, which would reduce hunger however there are conflicting studies on this.

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EXCELLENT research! Satiety is a huge interest of mine, so I would love if you could pass along any studies you run by, to me.

What is interesting is that results show polyunsaturated fats typically have the highest satiety ranking, followed by saturated fats, followed by monounsaturated fats. However, I am not aware of studies that have thoroughly investigated the effects of different forms of saturated fats (i.e. MCT’s vs, long chain saturated fats) and different forms of polyunsaturated fats (i.e. omega 6 vs 3’s, or some other kind). That would be great research!

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Hey, what's a vegetarian like you, sucramdw, doing researching the benefits of steak? /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

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I read your post and it made me feel like my research needed some sad transition pictures. /forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Haha /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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In studies on the consumption of red meats results found that both mono- and polyunsaturated fats did not play a role in the regulation of serum IGF-1 but the saturated fats from red meats were significantly associated with serum levels of both IGF-1 and IGFBP-3 levels. (Journal of Clinical Oncology, Vol 17, Issue 10 (October), 1999: 3291-3298)

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That was awesome information!

Thanks a lot, Marcus!

[Growth In Motion]

It was. Impressive

[NeoNasty]

Another awsome source of protein and low in fat meat. Kangaroo! Its excellent and delicious.

Plus, I think its a national Icon and we get to eat it! How cool is that!?

[Gibbster]

Living in Northwestern BC I get to feast on Moose Meat.

The tastiest meat I've ever had, highest in protein of any meat I've looked into, and very lean.

[sucramdw]

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The President and I have some thoughts

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so....

I did all that research with the thought constantly in my head, "I wonder what Gabe and Jake are thinking about steak...must do more research!!"

So, Gabe & Jake, was I remotely close with my findings?


Also, I will be sure to send any studies I find on Satiety your way. It is definitely an interesting topic! I am excited to start supplementing with MCT's and feeling a difference. Especially because I dont eat meat, so I dont really get any carnitine in my diet, or a whole lot of MCT's.

[Venom]

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so....

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So?? What am I supposed to say after that monster post of yours lol? /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif Ummm, thanks again. /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif Your post was awesome!

[nutz]

It's the blood. Mmmmm. I like 'em bloody.

[GiddyUp]

Havin two fat filets after a nice workout. they taste that much better...

[beachbum]

mmmmmm steak with garlic mashed potatoes and a large spinach salad ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.


Isn't steak meat, red meat, an indicator of red muscle fiber? Isn't red muscle fiber higher in mitochondria? Perhaps you're consuming more ATP though the high amount of mitochondria.

This is all from memory here, so I could be completely wrong.

[President Wilson]

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The President and I have some thoughts

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so....

I did all that research with the thought constantly in my head, "I wonder what Gabe and Jake are thinking about steak...must do more research!!"

So, Gabe &amp; Jake, was I remotely close with my findings?


Also, I will be sure to send any studies I find on Satiety your way. It is definitely an interesting topic! I am excited to start supplementing with MCT's and feeling a difference. Especially because I dont eat meat, so I dont really get any carnitine in my diet, or a whole lot of MCT's.

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Thats the best research I have seen big guy!

That is what I call top flight scientific insight! I am very impressed!

[sucramdw]

Thanks a lot Jake, I appreciate the opportunity and learned a lot!

[Coz]

sucra knows his steak! /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Venom]

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sucra knows his steak! /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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haha /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[kokokolo]

I have this theory that steak just tastes so **** good, its bound to make you feel better... I mean, what tastes better than steak ?

[sucramdw]

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I have this theory that steak just tastes so **** good, its bound to make you feel better... I mean, what tastes better than steak ?

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TOFU! /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[kokokolo]

yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[Aftar]

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Every time I have steak, I notice almost immediately I have better pumps in the weight room, my performance increases, and most notably, my feeling of well being shoots up. Does anyone else notice this? President notices the same trend, and I have talked to several other athletes that do.

Our featured athlete…

http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/may%2005%2046.jpg

Jason Williams (http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/jasonindex.php), swears by steak. He says nothing else makes him grow like it.

What do you guys think the mechanism is that steak works through? The President and I have some thoughts, but I would like to hear your guys, first.

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yes I notice this too
I also find that eating steak every other day makes you very strong

[Aftar]

Also I think it may be closly related to haemoglobin iron
that's my theory for this great result from steak

[psaturn]

Have you guys tried the best grill to make a steak to perfection ?

It is infrared grill that sears the meat outside so that the juices stay inside....

When you have the infrared grill really hot, you place the meat on it, and you can blacken outside and inside will stay pink.

The secret of a great steakhouse steak is that they slather butter on the steak right after they are removed from the grill.

No wonder they taste so good in the steakhouse ! I call it cheating. LOL.

Yes.

Steak is just, supreme !

Especially a Prime Grade T Bone Steak that weighs 48 oz

[Anthony Lapham]

I think steak provides the obvious protein that always gives me a bit of a pump as you feel big after. Its also quite thick which may explain the pump of being full.
I also believe that the blood in the steak may have something to do with it???

[BUCKEYE]

Wait you mean there are benefits to eating steak...lol I just eat it because it tastes good. On that note im going to cook a fat juicy ribeye right now!
-Mike

[Adam Knowlden]

Good to see you Buckeye!!

I heard about the new junior recruit!

Ummm, what is going on here?!

[TForce]

I think Joe is asserting his right to express his opinion regarding Solomon's writings, though he could also be referring to man's controlling nature.

[MJR]

steak is my favorite food

[Zee-German]

Man i had a nioce steak for dinner. Thought id share that with you, Cajun Ribeye and some mashed potatoes w/ onions and, YUM

[Vlad]

Venom, I get pump in my pecs after a meal with steak. That is why it is my number one meal just before I go to the beach /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Anyway, I eat steak at least 2 times / week. Usually it's 4.

[TasteLikeChicken]

So that must be why they tell you to buy a cow, lift it, then eat it! Maybe I should buy two cows so that I can eat one first to get a better pump when you lift the second.

[Highpsi]

I haven't seen anybody mention buffalo yet here so I suppose I will chime in now too. Ground buffalo makes awesome burgers, just dont overcook it! Really great red meat protein source.

Usually most supermarkets here in the states carry it or will if you ask them to.

[Leafy Green Vegetables]

I eat a nice Top Round once maybe twice a week. After reading this thread, especially Sucra's info, that will be bumped up to at least 3.


Some of you have stated that you eat it pre-workout. Can you comment on eating fat before a workout? I thought this was a no no.

[sucramdw]

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Can you comment on eating fat before a workout? I thought this was a no no.

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Fat pre-work being a no-no is relative to the type of fat, how your body responds to the fat and how long before a workout you eat. Usually fat will basically just make your meal take longer to digest, and if your still digesting during your workout then you've got issues.

However I am pretty confident now that Steak does contain medium chain fatty acids. If you go back up to what I wrote you will see that MCTs do not slow digestion like most other fats, and in fact they play a role in assisting with digestion.

Even though I have never had steak pre-workout, its ingestion for that purpose is quite apparent, and should be tested.

[hiho de Dios]

If you think eating steak is good, then you should try eating ostrich(sp?) Even better IMO.


Ostrich is Good!! rich! (lots of Rheas in South America)

[newbuilder]

So steak is high in amino acids and also in fat? Since it is not a plant, then it contains no carbohydrates?

[rickck48]

I have never had Buffalo,,what does it taste like? Is it an aquired taste or what? I would really like ot know,,,,if it is good for bulking I would try it to change from steak for a while? /forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Calvin]

I've had buffalo burgers before, I know it is lower in fat than steak, but that is about it. They tasted pretty good though!

[newbuilder]

Buffalo, I thought that they were pretty much extinct from the American settlers killing them off?
Anyhow, I haven't had steak in a long time and maybe only once or twice over the last year.
Supposed lamb or mutton is supposed to be a better alternative to beef steak.

[Venom]

I definitely would not have steak pre-workout. I usually have it with my low carb meals, with some fiber. I don't need to add any additional fat to it, save for a couple of fish oil pills.

Why dont you recommend steak Pre workout, Venom?

[Venom]

Because it is extremely hard to digest.

Many of the benefits from steak come several hours after. Particularly, the hormonal benefits. It takes time to synthesize the hormones it stimulates, such as testosterone.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

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It's really tasty! Ground buffalo is my favorite, an awesome alternative to ground beef that is higher in fats. It makes really good burgers too. Sometimes I cut up green onions, and mix in with some oatmeal and an egg too. Makes really good burgers! Taste is a lot like plain ole beef. Its not "gamey" and I bet you wont know the difference other then the fact that it is pretty lean.

[Highpsi]

Whoops.. Forgot to login for that last post!

[Calvin]

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Buffalo, I thought that they were pretty much extinct from the American settlers killing them off?


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When the environmentalist laws went through, they made a giant rebound. In addition, buffalo can be kept like normal cattle.

I'd be interested to find out more about buffalo meat and how the aminos, etc compare. Anyone have some good sources (information) on it yet?

[dalvare1]

Venom, i have read the pre-contest week journal article, would you reccommend a lean steak several hours before a competition? provided you are still not drinking water.
I have heard a lot of people eating a very fatty/salty meal before a competition but never quite understood the rationality behind it, care to explain? thanks!

[Venom]

dalvare1

That does not make sense to me. You want to avoid salt on the day of the contest, as it will cause you to hold water.

So no, I would not do that.

[Dave17]

steak is staple in my diet. at least one a week, i notice better pumps, better lifts, feel bigger and stronger. i LOVE my steak.

[sucramdw]

Man, I am contemplating a life of meat...I want some steak!! It is just really hard for me, and someday soon I will make a dicision making post in the sanctuary on the topic of killing animals for food.

Imagine bulking with no meat!!!!

[TheShanMan]

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It's really tasty! Ground buffalo is my favorite, an awesome alternative to ground beef that is higher in fats. It makes really good burgers too. Sometimes I cut up green onions, and mix in with some oatmeal and an egg too. Makes really good burgers! Taste is a lot like plain ole beef. Its not "gamey" and I bet you wont know the difference other then the fact that it is pretty lean.

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In my experience with local cuts of buffalo and ground buffalo, as well as some research, buffalo is no less fatty inherently than beef. It just depends on the cut. Unfortunately because buffalo is such a smaller market than beef, there is much less selection and as far as the prepackaged ground buffalo goes, I could only get it in 15% fat, which is WAY higher than I ever have with ground beef. Consequently I never really have buffalo anymore. /forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I do love beef top sirloin, beef top round, and 4% ground beef though! /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Zee-German]

Oh man, i just got back from a long run, and seeing the word steak just made my mouth water so much. I could really go for a nice, fat Filet Minon wrapped in Bacon, ohhh mama.

[TheShanMan]

lol. I have progressed with my diet to the point where that doesn't appeal at all to me - particularly the bacon. To me bacon is evil, even the "healthy" turkey bacon is almost all fat in terms of calories. It never touches my lips anymore. It's funny how that happens - things you used to enjoy you can't enjoy anymore because of the voice in your head that's telling you how bad the stuff is. I've even gotten to the point where I have difficulty enjoying a slice of pizza unless it's homemade with whole grain crust, etc. /forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[Trench]

I love steak. Thanks for the article. Now my wife can cook it for me at least three times a week! haha

[slackie911]

is there anything wrong with too much steak? i have top sirloin steak about 4 times per week (sometimes 5!) and i love the taste and protein content, but is it bad for my heart/cholestoral at all? i'm only 19 so i'm not all too worried, just curious

[Zee-German]

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lol. I have progressed with my diet to the point where that doesn't appeal at all to me - particularly the bacon. To me bacon is evil, even the "healthy" turkey bacon is almost all fat in terms of calories. It never touches my lips anymore. It's funny how that happens - things you used to enjoy you can't enjoy anymore because of the voice in your head that's telling you how bad the stuff is. I've even gotten to the point where I have difficulty enjoying a slice of pizza unless it's homemade with whole grain crust, etc. /forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

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Well arent you a bag of fun = P

[TheShanMan]

ha ha! Sorry to be a downer. /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Actually, what I eat now I enjoy just as much. You simply adapt to what you're eating and your tastes change. /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[hoffmag2]

Kudos to TheShanMan. That is so true. Everybody always looks at what I eat like ?!?#?! and I just say I LIKE IT and they never believe me. Like I'll take a natural peanut butter sandwhich to work and people don't believe that I like it better than the "real" stuff. But anymore, I don't like the taste of say JIF or Peter Pan because it flat out tastes horrible.

In regards to the steak: I decided to try eating it on chest day because I can never get a GREAT pump going on my chest. It's probably my hardest area to train.

I have to agree with everyone here, I noticed a considerable difference in energy as well as a bigger pump in my chest. I don't know if it was because of the mindframe I had ("This steak is gonna make me kill my chest") or because of the steak itself, but I loved it. I will definitely eat steak more often (I had been cutting back its usage because of fat content actually....NOT ANYMORE !!!haha)!

[iLLa]

mmmm the sweet taste of bloody murder.

i honestly didnt feel like reading 5 pages of stuff but i noticed if i eat too much steak i feel heavy and weighed down. i def dont eat as much as i used to. as far as dude getting bigger pumps, it might be because of the creatine in steak along with the protien. it might just break down in a good way for him.

[NeoNasty]

Id just like to add, that on the weekend I ate a 1Kg steak. Thats 2.2 pounds for you imperial folks. It was HUGE! I loved every bite of it.

What an awsome meal. 1 Kg steak, one large steamed potato, soem greens. Way too much protein for one sitting!

[rickck48]

I love steak, and my wife cooks it great, but I do have turkey bacon and now I have a question as I see some don't include it. Maybe I need ot take another look and see what the contents really are. I just assumed that is was ok for the fat count. thanks guys! /forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[TruthlessHero]

Hate to bring back old topics, but check this out:
Shane Strattons Chunky Steak

* 200g cooked steak
* 500ml diet coke
* blend and drink - personally I hate this one, but a mate reported this was Shanes favourite protein drink
* Pros: High quality, easy to digest beef protein
* Cons: Taste and texture

I haven't gotten the guts to taste it yet, anyone ever tried a steak shake?

[ArgentineBEEF]

So, is steak good or bad?...how many times a week is it advisable?. In my country is very cheap and good quality as well.