2 Questions: Weight Gainers and Whey

[HKDave]

I have a couple of Q's again.

For a guy who's having a hard time filling up enough calories from regular food, is a weight gainer (stuff like mega mass etc) helpful for bulking? I'm absolutely sure that I can't fill up my 3800-4000cal a day when im incorporating the Cliffhanger workout on bulk. There's just not enough food for me to prepare to get it all in esp when I'm not at home most of the day.

If so, what brands/products do you recommend?

2nd is about my ON Whey. Is it normal that whey in general don't dissolve in hot water? I tried putting a scoop into a hot cup of water the other day (hoping to have some sort of hot choco drink) and the clumps just dont dissolve and it was absolutely horrible. Kinda like drinking lumpy cornstarch.

[a-folov]

Whey concentrate needs to be blended in order to dissolve well. Whey isolate can usually be stirred for the same effect.

Weight gainers are typically just whey concentrate/isolate mix with a lot of sugar. I never recommend them to anyone.

[sucramdw]

MRP-oats, peanut butter, and why.

As to mixing the whey with hot water-never do it again, it will ruin your whey.

[AJT]

Weight gainers will work. I do not recommend them at all because of the sugar but they do make some with just complex carbs. I saw some at GNC today. I will probably get a lot of crap for saying this but I've seen the results and they're okay. Nonetheless, weight gainers are not my first pick when I'm trying to gain weight, and I bet 90% of the people on this site will agree with me.

[Dmitri]

Weight gainers will help you get big, but won't offer the same anabolic properties as whole foods with a clean diet. As a matter of fact unless you take them after working out they'd probably be slightly catabolic with all of those sugars and extra unneeded carbs. All weightgainers are is a lot of protein, with craploads of complex and simple sugars.

[boyd888]

weight gainers aren't bad, but you can do better.

Go with the homemade weightgainer consisting of oats, peanut butter, whey, and water. There have been recipes posted; a quick search will find a couple.

[HKDave]

Thanks for the home made idea...

I'll check the recipes, thanks a lot /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif I just need a shake that gives me around 400-500cal per shake.

[bsimpson]

gainers suck unless you use them after a workout i like them

[nic6paul]

just take in like 2 cups of oats and 2 scoops of whey pre workout. if i remember right thats about 900 calories could be off a few but close to that.

[Cool Abe]

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Thanks for the home made idea...

I'll check the recipes, thanks a lot I just need a shake that gives me around 400-500cal per shake.

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Checkout the recipe I posted here:
http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1023716&an=0&page=0#1023716

It's a small shake that provides you about 670 cals and 50 grs of protein.

NEVER, NEVER use weight gainers. They're just worthless garbage.

All the carbohydrates in them are from maltodextrin, and since maltodextrin is a carb that releases huge amounts of insulin when taken, it will only lead to bigger fat gains rather than lean muscle.

Just stick with oats, whey, PB, milk/water, and flax/canola oil.

[HKDave]

CoolAbe: I did that this am and placed the shake in a large Coleman jug. I used the ff:

500ml water
10 ice cubes
2 scoops ON whey
1 cup oats
1 tbsp regular "Skippy" PB (No Natty in our country)

I didn't have time to check the macronutrient breakdown on this shake. I have enough (2-3 servings) for the rest of the day. Thanks a lot of the idea and the post. /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I'd have preferred using skim milk or soymilk but I ran out. I'll play around with some fruits next time.

Again, many thanks.

[Coz]

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1 tbsp regular "Skippy" PB (No Natty in our country)


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You are better off not using it at all. The sugars are not good for you and the trans fats are horrible.

Grind your own peanuts and make your own peanut butter or use flax oil.

[HKDave]

Hmm, i'd just probably skip it then (no pun intended hehe).

[Cool Abe]

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I didn't have time to check the macronutrient breakdown on this shake. I have enough (2-3 servings) for the rest of the day. Thanks a lot of the idea and the post.

I'd have preferred using skim milk or soymilk but I ran out. I'll play around with some fruits next time.

Again, many thanks.

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No problem fella, glad to help /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Grind your own peanuts and make your own peanut butter or use flax oil.

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Coz, do you have handy a link for this recipe? I tried to do a search on ABC and on Google but I didn't find anything.

[Coz]

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Grind your own peanuts and make your own peanut butter or use flax oil.

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Coz, do you have handy a link for this recipe? I tried to do a search on ABC and on Google but I didn't find anything.

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Recipe for homemade peanut butter? Throw nuts in blender and blend until smooth. /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Nothing complicated.

[HKDave]

HOME MADE PEANUT BUTTER (Barb's)

Place 1 1/2 c. peanuts or any variety nuts (leave skins on for increased fiber content) in a food processor or blender and "pulse" blend for 10 seconds at a time for about 1 minute. Add 1 T. boiling water (or 1 T. canola oil). Blend on high an additional 3 minutes (stopping every minute to push mixture back down). Try making almond butter or walnut or try macadamia nuts even... or mix them up.
(makes 1 cup)

December, 2000 Menu Minder

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HOME-MADE PEANUT BUTTER
Makes about 3/4 cup

Americans eat peanut butter by the ton each and every day, and kids enjoy seeing first-hand (and on a small scale) how simply it's made. Homemade peanut butter has a more earthy and nutty flavor, aroma and texture than the store-bought kind, but those with adventurous taste buds will appreciate a slightly new twist on an old favorite. It's also a good alternative to store-bought peanut butter that's filled with partially hydrogenated fats, corn syrup, and cottonseed oil.
If using fresh peanuts in the shell, the kids will have fun shelling them. They also like to take turns turning the food processor on and off, as needs to be done several times, and they can scrape down the sides with a plastic spatula. But the most fun in this case is in the watching: After several minutes of whirling, they marvel at seeing how the peanuts are transformed into a smooth butter!

* 1 cup shelled peanuts
* 1 tablespoon light vegetable oil
* 1 tablespoon honey or maple syrup

Place the peanuts in a food processor. Process at high speed until the nuts begin to hold together.

Add the oil and honey, and continue to process. Scrape the sides of the container from time to time, and process some more, until the peanut butter is smooth, or at the desired consistency, if you'd like to leave it a bit chunkier.

Transfer the peanut butter to a lidded container. For easier spreading, microwave for a few seconds before using.

Tips:

* Dry-roasted peanuts from a jar work just fine, but using fresh, roasted peanuts (and having the kids shell them) results in a more vivid flavor.
* Make sure that no children you serve this to are allergic to peanuts—it's a more common allergy than you'd think, and a very serious one.
* Remember, no honey for babies under the age of one!
* And finally, don't try doing this in a blender—it won't work!

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I wonder why she/he said that a blender won't work...

[Cool Abe]

Thanks for the recipe Dave! /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[tom10]

Is the honey or syrup necessary?

[HKDave]

Tom: No, that was posted for a kid's / parenting site... It's just for taste.

[SteveO]

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Recipe for homemade peanut butter? Throw nuts in blender and blend until smooth. /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Nothing complicated.

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there's more to it than that. That will make it very powdery, I beleive you have to add some peanut oil also.

[Coz]

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Recipe for homemade peanut butter? Throw nuts in blender and blend until smooth. /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Nothing complicated.

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there's more to it than that. That will make it very powdery, I beleive you have to add some peanut oil also.

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No you don't have to. A good blender on liquify will do a fine job on the peanuts. You can add peanut or canola oil if you want to but why do it if you don't have to?