JAMA Article on DHEA, 11/10/2004

[dmp]

Hello every one. Long time no see.
Still pumping Iron here in Michigan.
At 52 the muscle growth is slower than in you kids. But the results are still satisfying.
This site just keeps getting better.
I just got back from the Rose Bowl-ugh.

Anyway, knowing already the overall impression of DHEA on this site, I still thought I would like to get your opinion on this well designed study in JAMA, Nov. 10, 2004 pg 2243.

It is dear to my heart, and everyone over 40, regarding that last bit of flank and abdominal fat that you just can't get off no matter what you do.

[RGKfit]

Well, nice to have another "senior" here on the tour! Yes, lots of folks on this board will automatically dismiss DHEA, but I will admit I am not one of them. At our age, I do believe it to be beneficial.

[dmp]

RGKfit, has it helped?

Check out the article, I was impressed.

[RGKfit]

I read that study, it is interesting. 7 keto 3-Acetyl-7-oxo-dehydroepiandrosterone(dhea) is a fairly popular supplement that when it hit the market showed great promise. I think a matter of quality issues is at hand, as lots of companies tried to capitalize on the money issue and made inferior products.

I used it on contest diets, and not sure of the results by themselves, as I used it as a stack with other things.

But, in the past I have used DHEA(not 7 keto) with some nice results I thought, not to mention in the bedroom!

Surprisingly, it is also good for women who are experiencing menopause type symptoms, hot flashes, etc. A low dose of DHEA is great for them. I can verify that with my wife, she was having them bad. I read a study on the effects of low doses of DHEA for this, so I used her for a guinea pig so to speak. I started her on 10 mg., and almost magically, they stopped. I decided to test things out(I give her her vitamins every day, she doesn't even know what I give her half the time...LOL), and I took away her DHEA. It was a matter of a few days, and she started complaining of hot flashes, that it wasn't working anymore. When I told her what I did as a test she got a bit perterbed. I have since kept her on it, and no more problems. I found this fascinating.

[RGKfit]

By the way, here is another synopsis of a couple studies on 7 keto.

Proof: Two randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, clinical studies demonstrated amazing results from a 200-mg. dose of 7-Keto. In the first 7-Keto was responsible for three times more weight loss versus placebo, with the weight loss due solely to fat reduction, not water or muscle loss. The second study confirmed these findings by testing two groups with similar diet and exercise programs. The 7-Keto group showed a dramatic improvement in body composition, i.e. fat loss/ muscle retention, in comparison to the placebo group, which reduced weight slightly due to muscle, water, and fat loss in similar amounts.

Note: Both research groups used 200 mg per day of 7-Keto in divided doses.

[RGKfit]

One thing I should point out about the study in question here, the caveat is that it was done with "older" adults whose DHEA levels have depeleted over time. This does happen as we age.

So, for a 20 yr. old for instance, the effects may not be evident, or even worth considering using.

[dmp]

Thanks. Excellent.
I think I will give it a try, keeping an eye on my blood chemistry, especially PSA. Thats probably the biggest worry.
With a stable PSA however I feel the risks are mimimal. I agree about the value of DHEA in the younger crowd.