martial arts on a bulk

[austin26]

i am currently on a cut but in a few weeks im going to switch over and start another bulk. i'm starting to really get into brazilian jiu jitsu and muay thai. will doing that type of intense training (about 5-8 sessions a weeks) hinder my bodybuilding goals? i would need to weightlift and do martial arts on the same day, but they would always be seperated by about 8 hours.

[ByronSRU23]

So long as their seperated by 8hrs, I'd say you should be fine.

[bimmerbuddy530i]

make sure you up your calorie intake /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[ecto no more]

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make sure you up your calorie intake /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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perfectly said! /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

and i would imagine that your sessions could take the place of cardio....if you were planning on doing any.

[Ultra Man]

dont worry, just get more protein, and calories and you'll be fine /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[austin26]

how much should i up the calories?

[Steel Warrior]

I train around 20 hours a week in martial arts and lift about 10 hours a week on average during my bulks and have no problems with gaining muscles as long as I eat constantly and sleep good.

[monkeyboy007]

"will doing that type of intense training (about 5-8 sessions a weeks) hinder my bodybuilding goals?"

..depends on your body-type etc. I used to do Thai Boxing and Boxing for years before getting alot of injuries after which I started getting interested in lifting. At one point I tried doing both (3 days thai boxing, 3 days lifting, 1 rest day) - and basically, as a hard gainer, couldnt gain an ounce of meat at all. Recovery time was also extended.

What you are looking to do sounds like it will really wear you down after a month or so; BBing to failure is tough enough, and we used to Box until we puked... I might be wrong - but unless you dont work/study etc a great deal it would probably be too much - I think it was arnold that said: when you arent resting you arent building (or something like that!)

I couldnt give 100% to all three, or at least get 100% results from all three (my other commitment was full time study and work). So I guess it depends on how hard the martial arts training is and if you do it for defence/cardio/self esteem etc and how much your lifting goals are important. It you are happy with a compromise - well done to you having two passions!

[Ultra Man]

i usually just eat whenever i get hungry, which is usually about every 1.5 hours

[bsimpson]

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brazilian jiu jitsu and muay thai

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o man thats bad ars i have been sparring with a Muay Thai artist ouy it hurts alot they never block only punch and kick hard work not getting hit alot /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Gee-Man]

Guys I want to start a martial art! Any sugesstions... The currently popular arts in my area are Jeet Kune Do, Wushu, Kyokushinkaikan... which do u suggest i do
I am 5.6 183lbs!

[JKDphil]

my instructor teaches JEET KUNE DO, go to his forum at http://nazjkd.tk He knows tons on other arts too. he'd be able to help you greatly.

[JKDphil]

Jeet kune do would be the pick because it is modern and more suited to the street. all them bs karate and tae kwon do crap are full of crap. they arne't even challenging they don't get you puffed out and also they teach you moves that wouldn't work on the street. jeet kune do was made by bruce lee who introduced full contact sparring to america. he was the man.

[WatchTheHands]

To the original poster:

5-8 INTENSE training sessions a week will definitely hinder your gains if you're bulking. Obviously it depends upon exactly what you're doing, but I'm sure there will be a good deal of cardio-intensive conditioning involved. Just keep increasing your calories as the gains slow, and cut back on the classes if need be.

To anyone interested in learning a Martial Art:

There is no perfect style, it all depends on the teacher. Asking a bunch of martial artists what is best is only asking for trouble. /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif I only recommend you to be wary of the trendy names (JKD, BJJ, Muay Thai), as there are many frauds out there who shouldn't be teaching at all and are only looking to cash in. Not bad arts, there are just many more people "teaching" them than have any right to be. Unfortunately, there is no governing body for martial arts, so this is allowed to continue. Check out ALL the local schools in your area (most allow a free lesson), and see which YOU prefer the most. Pay attention to how the sensei/sifu/etc runs the class, and talk to the students. This is the way to find the best art available to you.

[jflip]

I was watching this thing on these American Muay Thai fighters on MTV the other day... That stuff is brutal! They went to Thailand to participate in this bare knuckle fighting competition. It looked very intense!

[Spanky-77]

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Jeet kune do would be the pick because it is modern and more suited to the street. all them bs karate and tae kwon do crap are full of crap. they arne't even challenging they don't get you puffed out and also they teach you moves that wouldn't work on the street. jeet kune do was made by bruce lee who introduced full contact sparring to america. he was the man.

[/ QUOTE ]I can tell that you do not understand the purposes of the many martial arts and the backgrounds that they have come from. As written earlier there is no one martial art that is better than the other. Each person has their own ability that works best for them.
As for working out after training in muay thai and BJJ I couldn't do it. I'm currently in BJJ and it is the best aerobic and anaerobic workouts I have had since wrestling. You should see how your body reacts to the training sessions and the current calorie intake you are at. If you are tired then bump up your carbs if need be or tweak it to your liking. There is no one answer that can tell you how your body will act. Everyone is different and every body is different.

[monkeyboy007]

WTH is very right with finding the right instructor. I would also like to add that it is important to indentify what you are your goals you want to get out of a martial art; fitness, self defence, competition, self esteem or whatever - as this is going to affect your range of choices. Just as in BBing - there are gyms w air-con and there are those that are hardcore in the martial arts world..

An important thing to think about is what style will suit you best. There are many ways of looking at this, but in my personal opinion your body-type (height and reach being v important) is a crucial factor. If you are short with a low centre of gravity - this stability may lend you to boxing or a form of ju-jitsu etc better.. If you are medium build and relatively tall I would go with my personal choice of muay thai, and karate may be a good choice also - whereas some of the korean arts may lend themselves better to taller trainees. There are many succesful fighters that contradict my theory, of course, but it is a starting point along with the trainer, gym, discipline, spiritual aspect of each art that may suit your tastes.

All styles, probably - bar wing chun, are going to be pretty darn high on the cardio intensity which may cut into your bulk, though.

[austin26]

so about how much should i increase my calorie and protein intake?

[Ultra Man]

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Jeet kune do would be the pick because it is modern and more suited to the street. all them bs karate and tae kwon do crap are full of crap. they arne't even challenging they don't get you puffed out and also they teach you moves that wouldn't work on the street. jeet kune do was made by bruce lee who introduced full contact sparring to america. he was the man.

[/ QUOTE ]I can tell that you do not understand the purposes of the many martial arts and the backgrounds that they have come from. As written earlier there is no one martial art that is better than the other. Each person has their own ability that works best for them.
As for working out after training in muay thai and BJJ I couldn't do it. I'm currently in BJJ and it is the best aerobic and anaerobic workouts I have had since wrestling. You should see how your body reacts to the training sessions and the current calorie intake you are at. If you are tired then bump up your carbs if need be or tweak it to your liking. There is no one answer that can tell you how your body will act. Everyone is different and every body is different.

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actually the foundation of jeet kun do is "no limitation, as limitation" meaning that the art is 100% adaptable, so anybody can learn the variety of techniques that work best for them.

being tall i learned takedown defense, for the most part im terrible on the ground. worked on strong elbowing and kneeing and headbutting, for when someone does get past my reach. and most importantly using my reach and leverage for fast out of opponents reach attacks. anyone who teachs jeet kun do, would have to understand nearly everything about combat so he can take the millions of techniques and apply it to an individual. jeet kun do would be impossible to teach properly to a large group of people, since each person would develope their own individual fighting art.

[WatchTheHands]

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so about how much should i increase my calorie and protein intake?

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If you are not gaining any weight, SLOWLY increase your calories by a few hundred a week, until you start progressing again. Increase protein intake proportionately...

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anyone who teachs jeet kun do, would have to understand nearly everything about combat so he can take the millions of techniques and apply it to an individual. jeet kun do would be impossible to teach properly to a large group of people, since each person would develope their own individual fighting art.

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The main reason I am so aggravated by the plethora of JKD teachers that abound now is that JKD isn't so much an art than a philosophy. I've studied a few different Martial Arts and I've read The Tao of JKD multiple times; this makes me about as qualified to teach JKD as 99.9% of the people who currently are, which is pure BS. Unless you're studying under somebody like Dan Inosanto, a JKD teacher likely has no connection to Bruce Lee whatsoever. They're just making money off a name, which is disrespectful in my opinion. If you want to teach a hybrid fighting style, that's great; the best fighters don't limit themselves to only one way of doing things. But call it what it is, a hybrid style of your own creation. You can't "teach" Jeet Kune Do, you can only find it on your own.

[Ultra Man]

well put hands

[Spanky-77]

You can say that I have extensive standing defense but almost 90% of your fights wind up in the ground. If you want to just learn how to fight then join a club that specializes in Mixed Martial Arts. There you will learn highlights from all aspects that are used in fighting. You do not have to worry about learning kata or Forms. Just buttkicking. Look out for McDojo's...The type that specialize in handing out blackbelts to anybody in about a year of training. That is why I like MMA training. There is no belts to worry about just learning how to defend and attack, what works and what doesn't.

[Ultra Man]

they end up on the ground cuz thats where the opponent winds up after i strike their jaw /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

j/k im not that full of myself...

[Spanky-77]

They are usually on the ground looking for their jaw when I'm done with them /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif
But on a serious note pretty much all of the fights I've been in on the job have ended up on the ground.

[Ultra Man]

what job do you work if i may ask? bouncer? police officer?

[Spanky-77]

Police Officer (I work in the Ghetto). Watch A&E's "The First 48" this week. It is about the serial killer we had in the area I work. There are a couple of prostitutes I run into on duty.

[Ultra Man]

gotcha, ive allways wanted to be a cop. my fricken mother will not support me if i chose that though... she worries, and i'm stuck going to college /forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Spanky-77]

Definately finish college and apply if that is what you want to do for a career. Most departments like mine you get an incentive pay of an AA or BS. Don't let others dictate what you want to do. Remember that the job is not for everyone and you put up with a lot of BS and the worst that society has to offer.