scientology?

[bigpoppadiesel]

my one friend says that she believes in scientology and that this group believes in evolution and god. i tried to tell her that you cant believe in both. i dont understand does anyone have any info on this? also while im grumbling about religion. why is it that people seem to think that they can pick and choose from the bible. it seems to me either its right or its wrong. am i missing something here? i dunno sometimes it just seems to me that the human race by large is really really dumb in that they dont research or look into or question anything. they believe what makes THEM happy and convince themselves that there so smart and that they cant possibly be wrong and than they put on the blinders and live in there own ignorance for years and years. grrrrrrrrr.

[Dave.]

1. Read up on existentialism
2. Read "Mysterious Stranger" by Mark Twain.

Might give you some more insight, and more reason to feel frusturated /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Breaktrack]

Stay away from that stuff dude, many consider Ron L. Hubbard a thief and at best a shaddy character. Do
a web search. I've read some FBI files on the guy and well...find out for yourself

[screwnamez]

Scientology does seem pretty sketchy to me, but at the same time you shouldn't be hypocritical of anothers beliefs. There are alot of people who would think that you've put on the blinders for being a devout christian. I'd say i'm not trying to start an argument, but that usually starts an argument /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif. lol, jk, but yeah, scientology is wierd stuff, doesn't make alot of sense.

[Breaktrack]

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Scientology does seem pretty sketchy to me, but at the same time you shouldn't be hypocritical of anothers beliefs. There are alot of people who would think that you've put on the blinders for being a devout christian. I'd say i'm not trying to start an argument, but that usually starts an argument /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif. lol, jk, but yeah, scientology is wierd stuff, doesn't make alot of sense.

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Check it out on the net. I can't be a hypocite if I don't believe in that stuff.

[screwnamez]

k, bad wording, not hypocritical, i'm just saying a good many people could have the exact attitude towards you for being a christian as you have towards them for not being one. And that wasn't actually adressed at your comment breaktrack, i agree with you.

[Adam Knowlden]

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why is it that people seem to think that they can pick and choose from the bible. it seems to me either its right or its wrong. am i missing something here?

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That's an excellent question. What you are missing is people do not like an authority in their life, so they pick and chose what they chose to believe.

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they believe what makes THEM happy and convince themselves that there so smart and that they cant possibly be wrong and than they put on the blinders and live in there own ignorance for years and years. grrrrrrrrr.

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What they are doing is breaking one of the 10 commandments,

<font color="blue"> 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, </font>

This means creating your own version of God in your mind.

That's creating a graven image. Creating your own personal God. This also leads to relative morality.

<font color="red"> Do not be wise in your own eyes. Fear the LORD and depart from evil."

Proverbs 3:7
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Is it interesting in the 10 commandments a few verses down God say,

<font color="red"> 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
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Here are some great apologetic sites for you bro:

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/

Here's their search:

http://www.google.com/custom?q=scientology++&amp;cof=LW%3A266%3BL%3Ahttp%3A% 2F%2Fwww.apologeticsindex.org%2Fgraphics%2Failogos mall.gif%3BLH%3A80%3BBGC%3A%23FFFFEF%3BAH%3Acenter %3BGL%3A0%3BS%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.apologeticsindex. org%2F%3BAWFID%3A1d04f6664b764c0c%3B&amp;domains=apolo geticsindex.org&amp;sitesearch=apologeticsindex.org&amp;do mains.x=44&amp;domains.y=10

Here's another great source for apologetics:

http://www.carm.org/

[Breaktrack]

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k, bad wording, not hypocritical, i'm just saying a good many people could have the exact attitude towards you for being a christian as you have towards them for not being one. And that wasn't actually adressed at your comment breaktrack, i agree with you.

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I see, sorry dude

[Adam Knowlden]

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There are alot of people who would think that you've put on the blinders for being a devout christian.

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It only matters what God thinks, not other people.

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Moreover scientology is nothing more than science fiction. Here's a small sampling of their sacred writings and some samplings of their beliefs reported by JOSEPH MALLIA:

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Data (1) (1)
The head of the Galactic
Confederation (76 planets around
larger stars visible from here)
(founded 95,000,000 yrs ago, very space opera)
solved overpopulation (250 billion
or so per planet -- 178 billion on
average) by mass implanting.
He caused people to be brought to
Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H Bomb
on the principal volcanoes (Incident 2)
and then the Pacific area ones
were taken in boxes to Hawaii
and the Atlantic Area ones to
Las Palmas and there "packaged."
His name was Xenu. He used
renegades. Various misleading
data by means of circuits etc.
was placed in the implants.
When through with his crime Loyal Officers
(to the people) captured him
after 6 years of battle
and put him in an electronic
mountain trap where he still
is. "They" are gone. The place (Confed.)
has since been a desert.

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Scientology teaches that humans first came to the earth from outer space 75 million years ago, sent into exile here by an evil warlord named Xenu, according to church documents.

The church also teaches its members to communicate with plants and zoo animals - and with inanimate objects such as ashtrays, former members say.



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More advanced students are taught to do the following:

"Find some plants, trees, etc., and communicate to them individually until you know they received your communication."

"Go to a zoo or a place with many types of life and communicate with each of them until you know the communication is received and, if possible, returned."



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Human misery can be traced back 75 million years, when the evil Galactic Federation ruler, Xenu, transported billions of human souls to Teegeeack (now known as Earth), according to Hubbard, who started out as a science fiction writer.

Xenu then dropped the souls - called "Thetans" - in volcanoes on Hawaii and in the Mediterranean, and blew them up with hydrogen bombs, Hubbard said in his writings and lectures.

Xenu then implanted these disembodied souls with false hypnotic "implants" - images of "God, the devil, angels, space opera, theaters, helicopters, a constant spinning, a spinning dancer, trains and various scenes very like modern England," Hubbard said in his characteristic freewheeling style.

These invisible souls still exist today, Scientology teaches: called "Body Thetans," they cling to every human body, infecting people with their warped thoughts.

And only hundreds of hours of costly Scientology "auditing" - a process critics have likened to exorcism - can convince the harmful Body Thetan clusters to detach.

The auditor's tool is an "E-Meter," or Electrometer - a type of lie detector that sends a mild electric current through the body while a trainee holds a metallic cylinder in each hand. The E-Meter can detect Body Thetans and past emotional disturbances (known as "engrams") whether they happened yesterday or in a past life millions of years ago, Scientologists believe.

For most Scientology recruits, however, the first step toward spiritual advancement is a course in "Study Technology" - a learn-to-read technique - or the "Purification Rundown" - a detoxification method using vitamins and saunas.

Although they deny any connection to the Church of Scientology, there are groups operating in Massachusetts that teach these two "religious" practices to the public: Narconon in Everett, the Delphi Academy in Milton, and the World Literacy Crusade with a post office box in Brighton.

After initiation, church members first strive to reach a spiritual stage called "Clear." Then they try to reach a series of "Operating Thetan" levels - up to level VIII and beyond.

John Travolta, a longtime Scientologist, reportedly has reached at least level VII, and church celebrities Tom Cruise, Nicole Kidman, Kirstie Alley, and Lisa Marie Presley have also reached high levels, according to critics and ex-members.

Advanced students of Scientology are also taught to heal people with the touch of a hand. Travolta told The Observer newspaper of London in January that his touch healed the rock musician, Sting.

"He was under the weather and he had a sore throat and flu symptoms. I did two or three different types of assists, and he felt better," Travolta said.

Critics and scholars point out, however, that many of L. Ron Hubbard's ideas are not original. He took many ideas from Freud and Buddhism - Hubbard also taught that he was a reincarnation of Buddha - then renamed them, adding his own science fiction-inspired vision, scholars say.

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<font color="red"> 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

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[Andrew G.]

Man Oldschool, thats like straight out of a Starwars movie... eeek.

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[Adam Knowlden]

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thats like straight out of a Starwars movie... eeek.

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Join the darkside of the swartz young Andrew G!

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[President Wilson]

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LOL! Spaceballs = best movie ever!

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I just got that on DVD last month

[William Ustav]

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LOL! Spaceballs = best movie ever!

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I just got that on DVD last month

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LOL, I saw it on tv a couple of months ago /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Funny film /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Zaejix]

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they believe what makes THEM happy and convince themselves that there so smart and that they cant possibly be wrong and than they put on the blinders and live in there own ignorance for years and years. grrrrrrrrr.

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I know how you feel, and your right. What really got me going grrrr was when my friend which i considered christian told me that genesis was just a fairytale. She said this in a tone reminiscent of a child telling their friend "Everyone knows santa isnt real."

What angered me was that people who thought themselves as christians could just tear the bible apart and decide that bits just werent right or for them.

Last time we discussed this one of the mods posted a cartoon from aig that quoted a section of the Bible that recounted the direct lineage between Adam and Abraham, then showed a lil figure asking his friend if he believed in Adam

"no he's a metaphor"

what about abraham

"ofcourse everyone knows he's real"

then... what do you suppose a transitional metaphor looked like (in reference to the quote mentioned.)

p.s. i would post the pic but i dont know how..but yeh its my favourite.

[bigpoppadiesel]

zaejix- i understand exactly what your talking about. Im still kind of not anything right now, neither religious or atheist just kind of searching i guess. i just cant believe how little so many "christians" know about their own religion. its like they either dont care or dont want to investigate. like i stated above, either the bible is right and god created the earth or its wrong and we evolved from rocks. cant have both! and i REALLY REALLY hate when they say something to the effect of "its all about your opinion and god wanted to appeal to everyone so its all about your interpretation of the bible". to which i asked her how she knows whats right and whats wrong in the bible than if its not either completely factual or completely wrong, and once again right back to the "its your opinion and its open to interpretation". what other types of books can people possibly do this to? could you imagine going to a physics book and being like "ok i guess that i believe in conservation of momentum, but this whole gravity thing, i dont really like that so it doesnt exist". personally i dont care what religion you are just so long as you understand it and its basic principles.

[10forty2]

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........reminiscent of a child telling their friend "Everyone knows santa isnt real."



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What...you mean Santa's not real ??!!??

What a bummer...............

[RichW]

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my one friend says that she believes in scientology and that this group believes in evolution and god


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Please capitalize "God." It's a show of respect.



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I have to disagree with you here Yu!
The god they are referring to is not the God we worship.
If they were referring to the Ancient Of Days, The Great I AM, the Alpha and the Omega then yes, it should be capitalized. However, the god they are referring to is, as you said, a graven image of their own creation. I see no need to capitalize that! /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ZEN MASHEENE]

...That info. about scientology... Just... Weird...

[Andrew G.]

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thats like straight out of a Starwars movie... eeek.

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Join the darkside of the swartz young Andrew G!

http://www.starkdavingmad.com/jpg/darkHelmet.jpg

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Im gona have to see that movie!

Scientology seems to be a pretty egotistical religion.

Scientologist: I'm level VII and have +9 against Body Thetans

Gamer: What game?? Body what?

Scientologist: *Gasp* Touch's gamer

Gamer: Dude, stop touching me

Scientologist: The Thetan is strong in this one.

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[Zaejix]

hahaha. LMAO. ^^^^^^

[mr.selfdestruct]

"Oh great, thats all we need... a Druish Princess."

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