Aliens

[Coz]

After reading the Mars post I have become curious. I myself believe in God but I cannot believe that in our vast universe or even our vast solar system, that there are no other life forms. I think that statement is a little arrogant, in my opinion. So, now I am curious as to what everyone else thinks.

[nozzle]

When you say life, do you mean a plant or a bug or do you mean another "human" type life (by human I mean having a soul, knowing right and wrong, etc.)?

[Coz]

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When you say life, do you mean a plant or a bug or do you mean another "human" type life (by human I mean having a soul, knowing right and wrong, etc.)?

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I meant any type of life, plant or bug included. I guess I should have also put in a category for sentient life or intelligent life? Personally I think they are all possible out there.

We are not even a tiny speck compared to our solar system, can you imagine what we are in our galaxy? What about the universe? We are nothing.

[KrYptic.x]

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We are not even a tiny speck compared to our solar system, can you imagine what we are in our galaxy? What about the universe? We are nothing.

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I'm sorry, but that just reminds me of that part in Animal House /forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

No, I don't belive in E.T

[MansonOzz]

And what if our entire solar system is just a tiny dust particle in another giant solar system, which is just another dust particle on another, and...

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My beliefs are simple. No aliens, ghosts, etc.

[Serendipity]

Sure, I believe there are other forms of life out there. It would be a little dissapointing if we were the only thing this vast universe has going on.

Whether we will ever see another life form is highly, highly, improbable. We could possibly find evidence of life that once existed on Mars, but that's about it.

[MansonOzz]

Anyone ever see South Park, where Earth ended up being a giant reality show for space aliens? That was awesome /forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[SkinnyBoy]

That was a great episode. I love south park.

I think there may be aliens out there somewhere but we will probably never have contact with them in any of our lifetimes.

[renob]

im not sure if there is other life. it would be kind of weird if we were the only thing in the universe that is "intelligent" but maybe there is something else...

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We could possibly be evidence of life that once existed on Mars, but that's about it.


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thats what i think, that everything originated on mars, and then got extremly technologically advanced, moved over here, and mars was destroyed by some type of war or maybe something else

[CoLDTuRKeY]

I think there's something out there, intelligent or not. I don't know if there's anything close to the kind of intelligent life here on earth but the vastness of the universe blows my mind whenever I think about it. It's almost scary to think about how small we really are.

[Venom]

Extraterrestrials and the Bible (http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum/favlinker.php?Cat=&Entry=2160&F_Board=bodybuilder& Thread=515567&partnumber=&postmarker=)

[Venom]

Read this too, Alien/UFOs (http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/alien.asp)

[Coz]

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Extraterrestrials and the Bible (http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum/favlinker.php?Cat=&Entry=2160&F_Board=bodybuilder&Thread=515567&partnumber=&postmarker=)

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Thanks, never saw that post before.

I think this guy said it best in that thread:

Akafadum said:
"Only god would know if there were other life in the universe, so it's kind of pointless for any of us to debate it. There could be, but we havn't seen it. The bible doesn't tell us that there is, but maybe we aren't supposed to know. No man can know the mind of god."

Why can't Christians belive in the idea that there could be life on another planet. The bible does not mention that there isn't and does not mention that there is. Maybe it was kept for us, but IMO should not stop us from believing that it is possible and believe in God as well.

Thanks for all your replies.

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Anyone ever see South Park, where Earth ended up being a giant reality show for space aliens? That was awesome /forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Is that the same episode where an enormous space satellite tranforms out of Cartman's butt hole? /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ricky2]

If they did find life on mars(we'll say just if),would that show support for the evolution theory in any way or throw out any truth of the bible?Because we are getting close to finding out....

I'm just curious of what the mods think.

[MaNofSteeL]

saying that there is no other life out there is..hmm..strange..
the universe is infinite..there r billions of stars in our galaxy and a the farthest space shuttle out there needs 25.000years to reach the nearest star!
also our galaxy is just one of billions of galaxies..so r we the only ones out there?..NOWAY. it would simply b a waste of space.

[Adam Knowlden]

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We are nothing.

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Sorry, I wholeheartedly disagree. And this tends to be the mindset of those seeking to find some "truth" outside of God in the universe.

"If rocks evolved here, they can do it somewhere else....just think the universe must be teeming with life!"

As far as being nothing, lets see what God has to say:

<font color="red">The Creation
(1) 1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was[1] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
3Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.
6Then God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters." 7Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.
9Then God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear"; and it was so. 10And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
11Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth"; and it was so. 12And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13So the evening and the morning were the third day.
14Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth"; and it was so. 16Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. 17God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20Then God said, "Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens." 21So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." 23So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind"; and it was so. 25And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.
26Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all[2] the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
29And God said, "See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food"; and it was so. 31Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

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Check that out. God shows in Genesis one, how much the earth and the life on it means to him. Yet, all we see for the creation of the rest of the universe is, "He made the stars also". Like an afterthought of His creative powers.

Through the universe, God is showing us how unique we are to Him, and even with His infinite creative abilities, we are the pinnacle and highlight of all His works. So much that He would die for us.

Yet these evolutionists want to change that glory to the similitude of an ox.

<font color="666666"> 19 They made a calf in Horeb, and worshipped the molten image.

20 Thus they changed their glory into the similitude of an ox that eateth grass.

21 They forgat God their saviour, which had done great things in Egypt;
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King David also showed how great God is through the universe. That with all His power, He should love us so much.

<font color="blue"> 3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;

4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
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saying that there is no other life out there is..hmm..strange..

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Oh? Give me one shredd of scientific evidence that there is other life in the universe. THere is none. I find it strange that many are so willing to accept something in which there is no evidence for whatsoever.

Of course it all starts with this notion that rocks can come to life on there own.

I also find it strange that SETI spent millions of tax dollars to look for a blip in the cosmos. If one appeared,"Oh look there is intelligence in the universe!"

But we can see the marvelous intelligent design behind DNA and information, and say, "Oh blind random chance".

[Coz]

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We are nothing.

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I didn't mean that literally, I meant it in comparison to our universe. Compare us only to our galaxy and we are smaller than a grain of sand on a beach. In my mind, relatively, that is "nothing".

[Serendipity]

Why do you need proof to believe in something?

[Coz]

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Why do you need proof to believe in something?

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Who was this question directed to? If it was directed to me, I never said I need proof. I believe there is life out there and I am curious as to what others think.

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[ironteen rich]

I beleive there is fungis,bactieria on other planets, but I in no way believe there is aliens on other planets.

Im suprised that 84% of the people think there are aliens on other planets. /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

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[William Ustav]

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I beleive there is fungis,bactieria on other planets, but I in no way believe there is aliens on other planets.

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Why? How? Do you have any proof?

Fungi and bacteria need oxygen, they are living cells and would have had to come into existance somehow. If you believe that fungi exist elsewhere, why not believe in higher forms?

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[Coz]

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This is an open challenge. If anyone can present evidence for life on another planet, present it here!

Arguements such as "There are so many stars, one is bound to have a planet with life on it" will not be accepted because 1) It is not evidence, and 2) It is a statistical impossibility.

Also, arguements such as "Well, we're here, so it must have happened somewhere else too" will also not be accepted, sinse this is also void of scientific evidence.

If anyone can present evidence for life on Mars, or even past life on Mars, present it here so we can discuss it.

Until then, no rational person can make the statement that life exists elsewhere. So bring fourth the evidence!

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We will not see evidence of life in outer space in our lifetimes. However, just because we don't have evidence it doesn't mean that we can't belive it is possible. It inconcievable that there wouldn't be life elsewhere in my opinion.

Before America was discovered, people didn't think there was life anywhere else either. I am just saying that it is possible, as for proof it is obvious we will not have it but we also don't have proof that it doesn't exist.

[SkinnyBoy]

If someone were able to prove that there was life on other planets, I would hope they could do something better with that information rather than posting it here, like maybe winning the nobel prize.

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[ironteen rich]

I say that Yu because Fungis and bacteria can live in cold and hot areas. Some bacterias do not need oxygen. That is my reasoning. I am not saying it is true.

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Word of the Lord Almighty says THERE IS NO LIFE OUTSIDE OF THE EARTH.

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Im done... /forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif.... I guess I should actually read the whole Bible.

Also Yu this is off topic, but today at church we were initiating a new paster. The paster that was presenting it said "The church is not a denomination... The church is in Jesus Christ" (or something really close to that) I found it true and it reminded me of what you said in the Evolution Debate thread that you dont believe in a denomination but in Jesus Christ. I found this really cool.

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[OUTLAW20SICX]

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Word of the Lord Almighty says THERE IS NO LIFE OUTSIDE OF THE EARTH.

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what will everyone think if they find one singal organism, cell, fungis, fossil, etc. on mars

[Adam Knowlden]

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Why do you need proof to believe in something?


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That has nothing to do with this topic, proof is not the issue. The issue is evidence, and the lack thereof.

We are simply showing it takes great blind faith to believe in these notions.

Please cease from blanket statements such as the above.
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We will not see evidence of life in outer space in our lifetimes.

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To add to Yu's criteria, "Long ago far away" scenarios don't count either.

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However, just because we don't have evidence it doesn't mean that we can't belive it is possible.

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That's fine, just recognize that is true blind faith.

You may want to rephrase the part about us being arrogant.

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Before America was discovered, people didn't think there was life anywhere else either.

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I am just saying that it is possible,

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Possible based upon what?

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as for proof it is obvious we will not have it but we also don't have proof that it doesn't exist.

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Now wait, you brought this topic up.

First we are arrogant for not believing rocks can evolve.

So we ask for some evidence.

Now it is admitted there is none, so your rebuttle is to attempt to shift the burden of proof? /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[Venom]

It is truly astonishing how many of you so easily accept this fairy tail with zero evidence to support your faith. This is a great quote and article:

It always amuses me that so many people would rather believe the story that some alien from a UFO has the answer to life's origin, but they won't believe that an infinite intelligence (the Creator God of the Bible) provided the information systems for life, and revealed what He did in written form (the Bible) so we would all know and understand who we are and from where we came. ---Ken Ham

Evolutionary Martian madness! (http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2/4357news8-4-2000.asp)

[MaNofSteeL]

ok..i cant quote all the things u said..the Mods dat is.
but i'll try to answer..
1. wt i meant bout the shuttle and how it needs 25.000years 2 reach the nearest star is that WE DONT KNOW WTS OUT THERE! and seems like we will never know. we dont ave the technology to find that out YET!
2. u say the lord says" there is no life beyond earth. ok..u ave ur faith. wt if there was life afterall? would u lose ur faith then? or simply say "god works in mysterious ways" or smth like that..
3. how does saying that there is life out there goes against the laws of math and science?
4. u want proof 4 everything Yu and that's cool but actually..outside even our solar system scientists only rely on theories.. there IS NO PROOF dat there is no life out there jus like there is NO PROOF dat there is. it simply makes sense..
5. "Special Creation"? hmm...i dont think so.
6. Yu, u say our belief that there is life out there is based on FAITH?! well maybe it is.. so we're not so diff u and i, cuz ur belief that god is our creator is based on FAITH also. nothing more.
7."long ago far away" scenarios dont count? can u plz xplain that?..if there is life out there and we dont know it doesnt mean its not there, does it?

peace.

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[MaNofSteeL]

yea i will read it bro /forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif.
and i did read SOME of ur studies like i said. i will try to read it all.
i simply ddn read much of it b4 bcs i ddn think it really needed much xplanation. guess i was wrong.