Peer presure.... "friends with priviliges"....

[ironteen rich]

Ok im posting this here cause I need some motivation to keep my "key". There are alot of girls that wanna do "it" and I know I am not ready for it, ecspecially at the age of 15. I would never be able to hanle the responsibilities. I duno what too do cause the people are really good people, I dont even wanna do it. I wanna save it for marriage, but it is really hard lately. Example we have exams this week so we get out early and I was ready to go buy the condoms so I can do it. (I'm trying NOT to buy condoms cause if I have them I will most likely do "it") I just need motivation to stay pure, please help guys.

[PiZ56]

post deleted by me ... shouldnt of said how to obtain free condums

[ironteen rich]

I dont even nesaciarily need to wait till marriage, its just we are friends FROM CHURCH and have NO intentions in going out. It would be different if i found somebody i was serious with and stuff.

[The Amish Dude]

Are we talking about sex? If you can't even type "sex" in an online message forum, are you really ready for it.

And with all the times you said "it" in your first post, it reminds me of the "Knights who say Ni" scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

[IronKnuckle]

It's just not worth it. You have to worry about STDs, Pregnancy, and, oh yeah, the wrath of God 1 Cor. 7: 1 "NOW concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: is good for a man not to touch a woman."
There is nothing that will make you more attractive to your future spouse than your purity. Let nothing shake your faith and your values. The ladies will respect you for that.
And you should expect that from your spouse as well: Ps. 24: 3-4. "A virtuous woman is a crown to her husband"
Prov. 12: 4. "The price of a virtuous woman is far above rubies"
Now, I know there is more to virtue than being pure, but it is a very important aspect. You need to help keep them pure! It is your responsibility!
My advice to you: (forgive me for the Book of Morman reference, PM me if it needs to be deleted.)
Alma 31: 5. Let virtue garnish thy thoughts unceasingly.

Purity is well worth it, stay strong.

[Mecha04]

did you tell her you are not ready.

[ironteen rich]

Thanx ironknuckles i would like some advice from some mods too...

[Scott B]

In addition to all of the things IronKnuckle listed a few minutes of "fun" is not worth the hours, and days and nights and weeks and ...I think you get the point.... of guilt. Just think it through (all the way through) and you'll come up with the right answer.

[bombflower]

Don't do it now, you'll regret it later.

Take it from someone who knows.

Wait until you're 500% sure you're ready, and then wait again until you're 1000% sure you're ready. Sex isn't something to be taken lightly. There comes consequences, no matter what.

You're 15. No need to be doing crazy stuff like this at such a young age.

I know it can be hard to resist urges to go out and have sex, but believe me, you'll be happier with yourself later on if you wait.

[ironteen rich]

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Don't do it now, you'll regret it later.

Take it from someone who knows.

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I remember talkin to you about doin it, lol.

[IronKnuckle]

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Ok im posting this here cause I need some motivation to keep my "key". There are alot of girls that wanna do "it" and I know I am not ready for it, ecspecially at the age of 15. I would never be able to hanle the responsibilities. I duno what too do cause the people are really good people, I dont even wanna do it. I wanna save it for marriage,

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Sounds like you've already made up your mind anyway. Why second guess yourself? You know what is right. Hang in there, this is not an easy world to live in.

Plus, I hear doing that really hurts muscle gains!

[Fandango]

i am going to do the same thing. wait till marriage that is. i honestly dont find it all that hard to deal with. just stay focused on lifting weights or playing football because i kno that you do that.

[ironteen rich]

bump for a mod to reply

[GodsGladiator]

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[Fandango]

omg GodsGladiator i think that's the most information i've ever seen in a single post...

[nozzle]

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[CheezitMan22]

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I dont even nesaciarily need to wait till marriage, its just we are friends FROM CHURCH and have NO intentions in going out. It would be different if i found somebody i was serious with and stuff.



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why would you even think about doing it or buying condoms if they are just friends from church? /forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[alanlws16]

Ok Godsgladiator that has GOT to be wrong. The only reason I havn't yet is because I thought the bible forbade it. I havn't read the entire bible yet though, so Im going to wait until a mod comes.

[alanlws16]

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I dont even nesaciarily need to wait till marriage, its just we are friends FROM CHURCH and have NO intentions in going out. It would be different if i found somebody i was serious with and stuff.



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why would you even think about doing it or buying condoms if they are just friends from church? /forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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Thats what I was wondering. I think you may be just getting excited over nothing.

[ironteen rich]

I didnt read godsgladiator article, i read like the 1st sentance and it said that the bible doesnt forbid sex.YEA IT DOES OR ELSE I WOULD HAVE LOST MY VIRGINITY ALONGGGGG TIME AGO!!!

[nozzle]

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Ok Godsgladiator that has GOT to be wrong. The only reason I havn't yet is because I thought the bible forbade it. I havn't read the entire bible yet though, so Im going to wait until a mod comes.

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Not to downplay the mods' bible knowledge, but why wait for someone else to do the studying for you? Just because you haven't read the entire bible isn't an excuse. There are plenty of websites with online bibles that you can do word searches on. Here's (http://bible.gospelcom.net/) one, in fact.

What has your study of the Bible told you so far about sex and when it's right and when it's a sin?

What does your heart tell you (not that you can always trust your conscience, but if trained it's a good guide)?

By the way, I don't at all mean that you can't ask someone that has more knowledge than you do about the bible or a bible subject, but you shouldn't rely on that. Study yourself, first, and then if you still have questions or want to make sure that you got the right message, then ask others.

[bigpoppadiesel]

its easier to resist things when u dont know what its like. i waited a long time to lose it and now that i have its much harder to say no. but if i had it to do all over again i prolly would have.just try to make sure it means something and its not just some stupid tramp.

[FJ0]

Dont do it dude you'll regret it!!
Maintain as much purity as you can, and raise your standards bro! You'll be so glad you waited when you're older, and it's something you will take pride in.

Few guys can say no to sex, so props to you for even wanting to. Now follow Christ as you said you do, and he will bless you beyond what you can believe. Don't give in.

[IronKnuckle]

Rich, don't be confused by the logic of man. Stick to God's word.
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mistranslation of the Greek word "porneia" as "fornication"

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The first arguement is based on a big, contraversial speculation...Intresting

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Deuteronomy 22:28 - 29, "If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered, then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days."

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This infers at least to me that a wrong has been done and marraige is the way to try to save the sinners in question.

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that fulfillment was in many ways greater than I had in twenty-three years of church and state sanctioned marriage

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Wiat, so this article is saying that marriage is not a state entity? This is promoting illegal activities aginst state governments AND (more importantly) GOD.

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There is no question that moralistic you mean having morals? or Godliness? (law-based), repressive ethics ethics! You're right! That's a swear word in todays corporate world, a male hierarchy, anti-sexual and anti-female attitudes have always been bedfellows in the church.sounds like a radical feminist, this was back in the 1950s? Remember the 19th amendment?

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In the early church women are often its founders and pillars, often act as missionaries and even bear responsibility for churches. And so on and on.


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True! But thier virtue makes them strong and purity and virtue go hand in hand.

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I want to stress here that there is room in the fellowship of Christians for divergent views on many points of doctrine. This is the case in terms of the specific debates about the roles of men and women in the home and church.

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There is one gospel. One truth. "if ye are not one ye are not mine.
However:
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We should not disfellowship one another over these issues.

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I believe in letting others believe what the will. But I also speak my mind. And listen to what my heart tells me Jesus would do.
I don't see Jesus preaching what this article is based on.
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This does not mean that all personality traits or environmental factors are necessarily good

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Right. The natural man is an enemy to God. These desires outside of marriage are natural but forbidden until married.
I don't believe God would allow actions that lead to things you see on Talk shows and in our media in general. It leads to so much suffering. AIDS, STDs and the unmeasurable emotional damage would not exist if this truely was God's will. This activity causes suffering. God loves His children so He would not condone actions that lead to our unhappiness.
Wickedness never was happiness. And it never will be.
I'm not trying to be mean or hurtful but these are my humble beliefs. Take them for what they're worth.

[Venom]

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Deuteronomy 22:28 - 29, "If a man finds a girl who is a virgin, who is not engaged, and seizes her and lies with her and they are discovered, then the man who lay with her shall give to the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall become his wife because he has violated her; he cannot divorce her all his days."


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This infers at least to me that a wrong has been done and marraige is the way to try to save the sinners in question.


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Yes, that is a perfect verse iron knuckle, it's very clear from scripture that God wants this to be saved for marriage, and to have only one partner for life. Doing it otherwise is adulutry. Here are some good verses:

Hebrews 13:4
4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but *****mongers and adulterers God will judge.

Matthew 19:3-9
3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? 4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? 6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. 7 They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? 8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. 9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.


And this is an excellent article that should help you rich, http://christiananswers.net/q-sum/sum-f001.html


We have discussed the issue of adultery extensively on this boards. It is one of the worst sins you can do. Here are some quotes:

Paul spends a large portion of his writings dealing with this very issue and people like to pretend it's not there.

Let's look at a small portion of the biblical history of lust.

Exodus 20:14

14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.


Under Mosaic Law all that was forbidden was adultery. You could burn with passion until sweat flowed from every pore, so long as you did not commit the act.

Even though it wasn't in Mosaic Law Job knew the full effects fulfilling your lust had.

1 I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a maid?


Notice how God described Job to satans face!

1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?



Here Jesus raised the bar for all...

27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:(Exodus 20:14)

28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.


It is clear. Lust outside of marriage is adultery.

"But that's too hard, I'm a teenager"

No it's not. First let's consider what Jesus said:

14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.

15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Jesus never lusted. And He gave us the power, to "go and sin no more".

Furthermore, lust is the fuel behind masterbation. 200% everytime.

God has a lot to say about lust.

It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in a passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God.
-I Thessalonians 4:3-5

Your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost, not a vessel of immoratlity.

God again makes it very clear in Ephesians 5:3:

"But among you there must not even be a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity...because these are improper for God's holy people."

Jesus said in Luke 6:46, "Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say?" And in John 14:15, Jesus said it again, "If you love me, you will obey what I command."


This kind of jest talking about God's plan for sex is mocking God.

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.


The typical defenese that people give is, "the bible never says you can't masterbate! So it must be ok!"

That is terrible logic. If that is the case,

"It never says you can't strap a bomb on yourself and blow up innocent people."

It says, do not murder. That sums it all up, no matter what way you murder.

It says, do not lust, outside of marriage. That sums it up no matter how you fulfill it.

So how does one go about beating lust?

I will never say you could. It takes God's strength, which we have assurance we have if we humbely seek it,

"No temptation has seized (me) except what is common to man. And God is faithful; He will not let (me) be tempted beyond what I can bear. But when (I am) tempted, he will also provide a way out so that (I) can stand up under it."

For young men, the trick is to do like Job and make a covenant with your eyes! Not to look upon any woman with lust.

To start this we have to go about what I call, "starving the Sumo". We know from body building that when we see a sumo wrestler those guys are non-stop eating to put on that kind of weight. Take away the food and they'll reduce in size.

It's the same concept with lust. Take away the food and we can starve the lust. The truth is we find it so hard to stop lusting because we constantly feed our minds with it.

We live in a society where nudity is glorified and fornication is the cool thing to do.

I will be glad to continue in this post and discuss strategies for controlling your lust.

But understand that lust in itself is not evil.

God created lust for marriage. Lust for your wife is a beautiful thing. God also put no restrictions on what can go on in the bedroom between a husband and wife. Sex is not a bad word.

It's a sin when it's taken out of context with God's purpose for it.

I will be glad to help anyone or continue with strategies in this post. But if God is just going to be mocked and if you are going to try to find ways to justify your lust then I will be done with the topic.

In the mean time don't go with what your own justifications, in all things seek him for the truth.

If satan sees you compromising the Word you are sheathing your sword and opening yourself for the attack.

If this topic was not bothering you guys it would not be brought up so much. Deep down the Holy Spirit has told you to stop, but you want to justify sin. Sorry, you will never find God's Word justifiying sin!

"The wicked in his proud countenance does not seek God..." (Psalm 10:4). "Pride goes before destruction..." (Proverbs 16:18). "When pride comes, then comes shame; But with the humble is wisdom" (Proverbs 11:2).

Another one:

God also warns that sexual sins is at a different degree than other sins.

18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.


Homosexuality is both within itself a sin, and it is also fornication. Fornication is any sexual act outside of marriage. In God's eyes there is no such thing as "gay marriage", even if the government calls it legal. It is fornication by default. Therefore you can apply not only the verses condeming homosexuality but also fornication to these cases.

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Sexual Immorality

12"Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"--but I will not be mastered by anything. 13"Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"--but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh."[

fornication is one of the worst sins in God eyes:

1 Corinthians 6:12-20
12 All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. 13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. 14 And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power. 15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. 16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

And read these posts on the subject, http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=bodybuilder&Number=612247& Forum=bodybuilder&Words=Flee%20fornication&Match=E ntire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=6months&M ain=611861&Search=true#Post612247 http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=bodybuilder&Number=520975& page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1 Especially this one, http://www.abcbodybuilding.com/forum/showflat.php?Board=bodybuilder&Number=584680 that will show you how to develop a more spiritual mindset.



Here is a great verse for you:

2 Timothy 2:22
22 Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

This verse is one of my favorites when dealing with temptations. Salomon gives a vivid explanation of what fornication is doing to yourself:

Proverbs 6:20-35
20 My son, keep thy father's commandment, and forsake not the law of thy mother: 21 Bind them continually upon thine heart, and tie them about thy neck. 22 When thou goest, it shall lead thee; when thou sleepest, it shall keep thee; and when thou awakest, it shall talk with thee. 23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life: 24 To keep thee from the evil woman, from the flattery of the tongue of a strange woman. 25 Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids. 26 For by means of a whorish woman a man is brought to a piece of bread: and the adulteress will hunt for the precious life. 27 Can a man take fire in his bosom, and his clothes not be burned? 28 Can one go upon hot coals, and his feet not be burned? 29 So he that goeth in to his neighbour's wife; whosoever toucheth her shall not be innocent. 30 Men do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry; 31 But if he be found, he shall restore sevenfold; he shall give all the substance of his house. 32 But whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding: he that doeth it destroyeth his own soul. 33 A wound and dishonour shall he get; and his reproach shall not be wiped away. 34 For jealousy is the rage of a man: therefore he will not spare in the day of vengeance. 35 He will not regard any ransom; neither will he rest content, though thou givest many gifts.

So clearly you see it is a sin, and that the consequences of doing so are high.

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I just need motivation to stay pure, please help guys.

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Those posts I linked above should help.

But I was just talking yesterday to a brother about temptation.

1 Corinthians 10:6-14
6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. 7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. 8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. 10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. 14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.

God is not going to allow you to be tempted above what you can handle. He will be with you and strengthen you through temptation. But, you should not look at temptation as a bad thing, it is very essential to your walk.

James 1:2-12
2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; 3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. 4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing. 5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. 9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted: 10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away. 11 For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways. 12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

If you resist temptation, it will tremendously strengthen your walk in the Lord, and as James says, make you perfect! So take this temptation as a good thing. O.S is going to do a study on this later to. /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Psalms 27:7-14
14 Wait on the LORD: be of good courage, and he shall strengthen thine heart: wait, I say, on the LORD.

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Proverbs 3:5-6
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.


Just wait on the Lord, and lean on him, he will get you through buddy. Feel free to ask if you need something else. I’ll be praying for you. /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[ironteen rich]

Thankyou Venom for the prayers, I am gonna stay strong for God.

[BboySoul]

i wrote somethign that is similar to this situation. to be thankful and try to stay pure cause yo.. it could be alot worst and theres always something bad that can happen... so you should always try it take it easy and safe not matter what it is

all this stuff really happened to me.. so its a true story

First therewas TIsha
we went to the same school
it was ez and chillin but in life... it doesnt play by the same rules
years on we graduated from grade 8
surprisingly... she turned 15 and she found another fate and her present wasnt typical
she had a baby... and then the people were cynical
Now.. she made the mistake and im sure others can relate
but to switch to another mind state
she kept the baby and took care of him good
nows shes 20 with a 5 year old son being raised in the hood
strugglein from paycheque but shes holding it down
and for that i give her respect

my second story imma tell just a cause to make ya think
it started off with a girl ill call Miss
Now.. she was fly everything i think she had
but in her mind, she was missin a man
Nah.... she tellin me story of a slick dude that was comin to her
pullin off player moves and running game on her
he had a girl friend waiting at home
and even tho miss knows...
something happen thatll soon be told

now i aint disrespectin, but she lost it all in a second
im thinking was something missing in her heart
to resort to things of that sort?
cause **** yo... she even did it in the park

Now the third one... is about my best friend Jamal
we were homies.. We chill together and we kicked it
then after a while he sold drugs sayin it was wicked
making hundreds by the day is alot for a kids like us, we were poor...
only 14... and he was already 6'4
if he woulda kept on playing bball he woulda been on the Toronto raptors
he was the one that taught me not to judge a person by their color
cause your chinese and im black but we come from the same "Father"
But 1day there was a drug deal gone bad
he tried to take out his pistol but he got stabbed
kinda sad.... how they took away the brotha that i never had
so i poured some gin for my bretheren...
he never even turned 19 so we drink it