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07-16-2003, 04:27 PM
Well last night I stayed at a friends house rented some movies and just chilled.Well this morning I woke up to my mom picking me up at 10 in the morning telling me I had to go home I didn't know what it was about she just said it was "very important" so I went with her and I came home and my iguana is dead /forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif.We buried him in the backyard but I have a little request,I know it's going to sound pretty stupid but can you pray for my iguana Iggy?I know they don't have souls or anything but just please pray for him it would be very apreeciated,thanks /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
07-16-2003, 04:31 PM
may he rest in peace!
He's in my prayers, as well as you.
07-16-2003, 04:39 PM
aww man, that sucks. Sorry for your loss..
I had an iguana a while back, named crash. He was named that because he had a habit of charging inanimate objects and... well, you get the idea.. spastic little lizard..
I had him for about 8 years, and he was a bit over 5.5 foot when he died. He ate a penny, and although we got it out of him, the copper poisoning got the best of him. I was in Ireland when it happened, and my mom had to tell me over the phone...
We now have a grave for him in the forest behind my house, with a little tomb stone and his big twisty tree branch from his cage over it.
He's in my prayers, but keep your head up man, from what I know of you, i'd say he had a happy life while he was here.
I'm sorry to hear it! You both are in my thoughts as well.
07-16-2003, 04:56 PM
Thanks everyone!But unfortanatley he was only 2 years and a month old /forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif.
07-16-2003, 05:02 PM
same happened to me some years ago.. my iguana well let's say she had a close encounter with a pack of dogs /forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Sorry to hear that man.
07-16-2003, 06:02 PM
07-16-2003, 06:04 PM
Aww bro, im sorry. Thats not cool at all, you loved that guy!you were always talkin about him...sorry.
07-16-2003, 06:05 PM
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Yu Yevon said:
I'm sorry to hear that. I will pray. (yes animals do have souls!)
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Yes they do, very scriptual. I will pray. /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
07-16-2003, 06:30 PM
I will pray for you and Iggy and I do beleive that animals do have souls.
07-16-2003, 06:45 PM
very sorry to hear of your loss. (prayer request)youv got it my friend.
07-16-2003, 06:49 PM
my guinea pig died 3 days ago....well i killed him
07-16-2003, 06:51 PM
as an animal lover your igauna have my sympathies.
07-16-2003, 07:00 PM
Thanks guys /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
07-16-2003, 07:12 PM
Some already said it, but yes animals have souls! They wouldn't be so animated and have such personalities if they didn't. I've got ya covered /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
07-16-2003, 08:35 PM
I will pray the both of you, I'm very sorry for your loss.
07-16-2003, 08:40 PM
That's not stupid bro.
I'm a pet lover too, I understand. It grieves the our spirit when our pets pass away. You're in my prayers.
Animals do have spirits:
<font color="green"> 19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
We are all of dust, and our fate is no different than the animals. Solomon what happens when we return to dust?
<font color="red">7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
07-16-2003, 08:41 PM
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Yu Yevon said:
I'm sorry to hear that. I will pray. (yes animals do have souls!)
Yes they do, very scriptual. I will pray.
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Sorry to be off subject here, but where in scripture does it say that?
I was always taught that like trees and rocks that God called forth animals. However Men were created by God not just formed by his speaking us into existence like the afformentioned things but actually made us in his image like an artist would make a sculpture and breathed the breath of life into us. That breath of life is our soul.
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<font color="red"> Genesis 1
24 And God said, "Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creatures that move along the ground, and wild animals, each according to its kind." And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth,  and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
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The Bible says God said "Let the land produce" and when it came to us he said "Let us create". But is does say further in that "God made" so........
I'm confused on this! LOL
I have just always been told diffrent about animals having souls.
07-16-2003, 08:52 PM
OMG that sux so much. I hope you are feeling okay. This is weird because when i clicked on this link that song by Creed called "One Last Breath" turned on in my Kazaa. It made me so sad...http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/emoticons/cry3.gif. Wow what a moment. You and Iggy will be in my prayers. Drink a lot of water
07-16-2003, 08:59 PM
Hey Rich. Good question.
1.Man is composed of matter (body) and partly of non-material soul and spirit.
2.In a more technical sense man is trichotomous possessing body, soul and spirit: 1 Thess 5:23
3.Soul and spirit can be divided: Heb 4:12 "Joints & marrow" are to the physical half of man what "soul & spirit" is the spiritual half of man
4.Soul and spirit, although different in some way are used interchangeable in scripture: Lk 1:46-47
Now we need to look at death...
Death in the bible always means "seperated from."
Seperated from what?
Pysical death is the separation of body and spirit:
<font color="red"> 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Eccl 12:7 </font>
Here we see "the dust" from which our bodies are made of when seperated from our spirit, is dead. In other words seperation of the spirit and body equals what we call death.
In simple terms, without a spirit, our bodies can't be alive!
<font color="green"> 17 And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, an hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his people.
Gen 25:17 </font>
Notice here, when he gave up his spirit, his body died.
Now the icing on the cake...
<font color="blue"> 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Jas 2;26 </font>
No arguement there. Plain and clear. Without the spirit, the body is dead.
The bible says death isn't the cessation of all physical activity, awareness and consciousness. But rather death means seperation of spirit and body!
So, now we need to see, if this is true of animals as well. In other words, does death as defined for man in the bible(seperation of body and spirit), mean the same as death for animals?
Genesis always lays down firm, rock-solid foundations. In biblical circles it's called the Law of first mention. In other words, the first time a truth is established, it remains the same throughout the bible.
"The Law of First Mention" basically says that the Jews believe that the first time a concept or a word is mentioned in the scriptures, it bears striking importance.
For example, the first time love is mentioned in the bible, (Gen22:2) it's referring to a father sacrificing his son. (Abraham & Isaac) This eludes to the importance of God sacrificing His own son, Jesus.
<font color="brown"> 20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life , and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth , which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind , cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. </font>
We know know that all bird, land and water kinds of animals are alive!
<font color="purple"> 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life , I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. </font>
So what exactly constitues "wherein there is life" in the sense that God is calling them "living creatures".
<font color="red"> 7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life ; and man became a living soul. </font>
I see a huge coorelation between " wherein there is life" and "the breath of life"!!!!
In Genesis 6 there can be no escaping the fact that animals have "the breath of life"...we also see the coorelation between the "breath of life" and "living"...
<font color="green">19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life , from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.</font>
We can obviously can see that "living thing" and "flesh" includes both man and animal!
Both were destroyed and God makes no seperation between them as far as "the breath of life" is concerned.
We do know that insects are not included here. I believe he is making a distinction here:
<font color="#666666"> 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life , I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. </font>
meaning there must be creeping things that don't have "the breath of life"...
Genesis 7 reaffirms this..
<font color="brown"> 21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. </font>
The Flood wiped out all land animals which breathed through nostrils except those on the Ark. Insects do not breathe through nostrils but through tiny tubes in their exterior skeleton.
It also reaffirms that man and beast both have the "breath of life."
For me this shows that as far as man and animals are concerned they are both "alive". They are not called "alive" at different levels. Both are "alive" by the "breath of life".
We clearly see that the body without the spirit is dead.
Man and animals are both called "alive" and having "the breath of life". They are not seperated in terms of being alive any way whatsoever in Genesis.
For example if they were God would have said, man died in the flood and the animals perished. No he said "22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
There is absolutely no distinction made regarding death when referring to man and animals in Genesis. So I think it is very safe to establish this verse applies to any creature that has the breath of life:
<font color="green"> 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. </font>
Some more coorelation:
<font color="blue"> 23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth </font>
Clearly established that man and animals are clearly living.
Unless it can be found elsewhere(and I think this is defenietly a case of the Law of first mention), there is no distiction between the death of animals and man, therefore James 26 has to apply.
Here is another coorelation from the wiset man on the planet:
<font color="brown"> 7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. </font>
This is undisputable...
<font color="red"> 19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. </font>
And what happens when the dust returns to the earth Solomon?
<font color="orange">7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. </font>
Bottom line, Solomon declared there is no difference in our make-up (dust), there is no difference in death. There is no difference in what constitues death in the rest of the bible. The seperation of the body and spirit.
This fact of seperation can also be reaffirmed by the fact of spiritual death which is separation of God & man. Gen 2:17; Isa 59:1-2; Lk 15:24; Mt 8:22; Eph 2:1,5;1 Ti 5:6
07-16-2003, 09:06 PM
Here is more to coorelate to Ecclesiastes:
<font color="red"> Psalm 104 24 O LORD, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches.
25 So is this great and wide sea, wherein are things creeping innumerable, both small and great beasts.
26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.
27 These wait all upon thee; that thou mayest give them their meat in due season.
28 That thou givest them they gather: thou openest thine hand, they are filled with good.
29 Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust .
30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created : and thou renewest the face of the earth.
31 The glory of the LORD shall endure for ever: the LORD shall rejoice in his works. </font>
The Holy Spirit creates them from sending forth His spirit. When they die they return to dust!
07-16-2003, 09:13 PM
Excellent posts Old School.
Brad, God's eyes are on all his creation, including your pet. Jesus made that clear, and stated
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Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing 24? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father
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07-16-2003, 11:56 PM
WOW! Great answers!
I'm sure I'll have more questions after I digest that awile!
Thanks, it makes more sense now that it did before.
07-17-2003, 01:31 AM
I hope that helped Rich!
I used to not believe animals had spirits either. But the mods and myself did a study and all came into an agreement about the issue.
That's why this verse is so vital to our walk:
<font color="blue"> 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Every person and denomination is subject to reproof and correction!
07-19-2003, 05:14 PM
Thanks guys again for the prayer requests btw I got a new iguana today!Funny little guy he's only 5-6 inches long!Also I did get one last pic of Iggy /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif one of me and him he was sitting on top of my head with me doing a most musculay pose,lol! /forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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