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05-20-2003, 03:19 AM
Ya ive been a stranger here lately, been real busy with a lot, figured maybe some of u may have been wonderin about me anywhere here I am..

I think I need a break form gear... im gonna take atleast 4 weeks off, and focus on dieting once i get my clen/t3, so far been on mostly bulking gear with a clean diet. this is middle of my 2nd cycle so far. I think im about 220 5'9, in these.

kidneys have shown no improvment and I think when its hard to walk w/o pain its time for a break.... should prob add, has nothign to do with being irresponsible while on, taking too much or certain substances, ive hardly taken anything. I had kidney probs naturally, before I took any substances. anyway before I shrink up I took some pics.. also bought my mom a new digi cam for mothers day and wanted too see if pics turned out better then with my old *** one, they did turn out somewhat better but the flash really messes with definition and cuts.

been on sus i think 5 maybe 6 weeks recently started deca and prop about 2 weeks ago, tried winny for about a week that didnt last too long caused more prob's then benefit.

anyway enough blabber not a lot of pics, i guess its what I get for waiting 3 mins before the gym closes to take em.


click 5-20-03 for current pics.

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/davebohr20/

Xtreme1986
05-20-2003, 07:56 AM
**** Dave thats awesome progress. You're a monster.
Great Job!~

Menace
05-20-2003, 01:30 PM
Awesome as always. I like your chinese tattoo as well! It makes me think about getting one but smaller. I hope that you'll get better. Take care buddy.

Cristy
05-20-2003, 02:04 PM
You are hotttt!!!! /forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif I love your piercings and tatoo. Makes ya look even sexier (in my opinion). It takes a lot of hard work and dedication to get where you are. Good job! /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

ssobol987
05-20-2003, 04:24 PM
DaveB and Cristy... you guys should hook up /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif both in michigan! /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif we should have a dating service on here /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif j/k

William Ustav
05-20-2003, 05:14 PM
Great size and mass!!! Really awesome!!! /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

SkinnyBoy
05-20-2003, 06:08 PM
Simply amazing...huge AND ripped!

soccerchick
05-20-2003, 06:40 PM
WOW! looking awesome dave /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Elle
05-20-2003, 07:56 PM
Luv those traps! Yep pretty **** awesome! /forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Pete914
05-20-2003, 08:27 PM
This page cannot be displayed...:(

Must just be my computer or something

Pesca
05-20-2003, 11:51 PM
long time no see, good to have ya back. But you're still lookin huge and ripped. The tats and piercings look really cool too

Pesca
05-20-2003, 11:51 PM
long time no see, good to have ya back. But you're still lookin huge and ripped. The tats and piercings look really cool too

ste
05-21-2003, 07:27 AM
Awesome Dave, every time you update, you show insane growth, nice one.

Rave
05-21-2003, 09:22 AM
Unbeliveable man! Looking huge!

footpowder
05-21-2003, 12:48 PM
great size! bummer about your kidney problems... good luck with that.

puma87
05-21-2003, 06:46 PM
awesome! even though you're on roids..

05-22-2003, 02:40 AM
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puma87 said:
awesome! even though you're on roids..

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judging from the 87 after your name I assume your a youngen with no knowledge of AAS, if you ever stick to this sport you will be in the same boat as me with time. If you choose to stay natural you choose to reamain a no body in this sport.

also check back i added a new pics of legs today

k.e.n
05-22-2003, 03:26 AM
Lookin bad *** Dave! Great work. What does your leg workout/routine look like since you can't squat? I realize you're on AS but ****......

sicily1962
05-22-2003, 04:51 AM
wow!! hubba, hubba!
lol!

I'm definately all natural, but i gotta tell ya ~ i like your look...
very nice.
good work.
Caoi,
margie

MaNofSteeL
05-22-2003, 07:15 AM
GR8 LOOK DUDE! LOOKIN BEASTY!

junfan68
05-22-2003, 09:29 AM
Looking really good bro!

Cut me a sliver of leg meat, will ya?

junfan68
05-22-2003, 09:53 AM
Just realized you juice...

man, that sucks.

Too bad.

KrYptic.x
05-22-2003, 11:27 AM
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******68 said:
Just realized you juice...

man, that sucks.

Too bad.

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What is so wrong with that? You make it sound like a crime or something, or like 'oh never mind, your results suck now'

Thankfully dave you know better, you look awesome man. Someday i'll get there, someday.

liontamer
05-22-2003, 12:07 PM
Glad to see your back, dude.

Look'in great, hopefully you get those health problems fixed! /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

junfan68
05-22-2003, 01:29 PM
Kryptic,

What part of "suck" don't you understand?

Well, first of all, aren't steroids a controlled substance? So, unless you are taking them under doctor's supervision, you are violating the law by posessing them? Help me out there, big guy.

Sure, it's a free country, I just don't have respect for people who choose to juice to get their results.

Gatecrasher
05-22-2003, 01:47 PM
Dave, you are looking like a beast man! Insanely awesome! The legs look good, but you need to squat! /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

realjones
05-22-2003, 02:10 PM
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******68 said:
Kryptic,

What part of "suck" don't you understand?

Well, first of all, aren't steroids a controlled substance? So, unless you are taking them under doctor's supervision, you are violating the law by posessing them? Help me out there, big guy.

Sure, it's a free country, I just don't have respect for people who choose to juice to get their results.

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you're an idiot who obviously doesn't know who Dave B is or where he has come from. Dave did not get his gains from steroids. Dave was already huge NATURALLY. Take a look at the older pics, those are him NATURALLY. You need to realize (as Dave has already pointed out) that staying natural gets you know where in the competitive aspect of bodybuilding. See you can only get so big naturally and in order to become and stay competitive you must use steroids...it's just the way it is. Dave is trying to become a pro and in order to do that he must go beyond what he can possibly gain naturally, and the way to do that is throught the use of steroids.

So next time take a little more time to know what you are talking about before you make such an uninformed and useless post. Thanks.

junfan68
05-22-2003, 03:59 PM
What you said had absolutely nothing to do with what I said....

RealJones, you're babbling son.

realjones
05-22-2003, 04:52 PM
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05-22-2003, 05:40 PM
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DaveB_19 said:
I think I need a break form gear... im gonna take atleast 4 weeks off, and focus on dieting once i get my clen/t3, so far been on mostly bulking gear with a clean diet. this is middle of my 2nd cycle so far. I think im about 220 5'9, in these.

kidneys have shown no improvment and I think when its hard to walk w/o pain its time for a break.... should prob add, has nothign to do with being irresponsible while on, taking too much or certain substances, ive hardly taken anything. I had kidney probs naturally, before I took any substances.

....been on sus i think 5 maybe 6 weeks recently started deca and prop about 2 weeks ago, tried winny for about a week that didnt last too long caused more prob's then benefit.



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Dave, have you ever asked a doctor about AAS use in people with existing kidney problems?

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DaveB_19 said:
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puma87 said:
awesome! even though you're on roids..

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judging from the 87 after your name I assume your a youngen with no knowledge of AAS, if you ever stick to this sport you will be in the same boat as me with time. If you choose to stay natural you choose to reamain a no body in this sport.



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That seemed like a pretty defensive response. He said you look awesome EVEN THOUGH your on roids. What's wrong with that? The vast majority of people on this site will never compete, and will never take AAS.

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realjones said:
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******68 said:
Kryptic,

What part of "suck" don't you understand?

Well, first of all, aren't steroids a controlled substance? So, unless you are taking them under doctor's supervision, you are violating the law by posessing them? Help me out there, big guy.

Sure, it's a free country, I just don't have respect for people who choose to juice to get their results.

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you're an idiot who obviously doesn't know who Dave B is or where he has come from. Dave did not get his gains from steroids. Dave was already huge NATURALLY. Take a look at the older pics, those are him NATURALLY. You need to realize (as Dave has already pointed out) that staying natural gets you know where in the competitive aspect of bodybuilding. See you can only get so big naturally and in order to become and stay competitive you must use steroids...it's just the way it is. Dave is trying to become a pro and in order to do that he must go beyond what he can possibly gain naturally, and the way to do that is throught the use of steroids.

So next time take a little more time to know what you are talking about before you make such an uninformed and useless post. Thanks.

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realjones - you're the one that sounds like an idiot. OK, to be competitive, you pretty much have to juice. Still doesn't make it right. But as ****** said, to each his own.

You know, i've been a member for about half a year now, i was a lurker for another half year before I signed up, and I gotta say, it seems like a lot of people here can't wait to line up and kiss Dave's ***. But you're not doing him any favors. Real friends tell each other the truth, whether they want to hear it or not.

Dave, I really don't know you at all, and I mean no disrespect. I know you work out like an animal. And you juice. And it shows. You're a beast. I just hope that you're not doing anything now that you'll regret further down the road. Life is a marathon, man. And you'll be 40 before you know it. Hopefully when you get there, you'll be happy and healthy.

05-22-2003, 05:53 PM
thanks for all the comments guys... im not trying to change minds, simply posting my progress and, sure im defensive when it comes to my life style.

girl007
05-22-2003, 06:02 PM
Looks YUMMY! ha ha No complaints here! Hops you get better!

MansonOzz
05-22-2003, 06:58 PM
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KrYptic said:What is so wrong with that? You make it sound like a crime or something

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This was just too funny /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I don't care if someone juices or not, but I liked this comment. I know Dave was huge naturally anyway, so there's not discredit to his hard work from me at all.

I'd love to get as big naturally as Dave was, but that'll take a few years. Ah well, I'm a year into it so far so only time will tell. /forum/images/graemlins/cool.gif

realjones
05-22-2003, 07:25 PM
how can you not be defensive if you were pretty much the only admitted steroid user on an extremely anti steroid board?

if someone on steroids where to post on a pro steroid site such as anabloicreview.com, i'm sure the responses would be much more positive and no one would even mention the steroid use.

i respect dave's decision to juice, and i hope he doesn't pay for it later in life. but to imply that his gains are somehow lessened by his choice to use steroids - after already being huge naturally - just isn't right.

Bonejiff
05-22-2003, 07:36 PM
I have a lot of respect for Dave as I saw his older pics when he was on that field and he was natural etc. I read his journal when he started using steroids.

Way to go for him. He aint juicing to impress the ladies. He wants to be a pro. Priest, coleman etc etc don't get there muscles by etaing a tin of tuna and curling with the 10's.

He is keeping a suitable diet and he is looking ripped after his bulk.

Dave, I cant wait to see the post clen/t3 pics. Keep it up man.

What does anoy me is people who juice to look buff, eat a rubbish diet too. and look bigger than me, argh! My work place has a couple of them, and they say that i juice too. It sooooooooo pisses me off.

05-23-2003, 02:12 AM
thanks guys you are great... Lots of respect on this board

Barke
05-23-2003, 02:37 AM
dave you look great....and I guarentee you could blow any of these "bashers" outta any gym any day..keep up the hard work.

Source 101
05-23-2003, 03:48 AM
Friggin Diesel !!!
Upper body looks massive with some nice cuts.
I am impressed with the vascularity in the legs.
I think we have similar physiques but you have more mass and your upper chest is way better than mine.
Lookin Great Big Man!

muscleheadteen
05-23-2003, 08:52 AM
man dude ur a beast! keep up the awesome work

junfan68
05-23-2003, 10:18 AM
"but to imply that his gains are somehow lessened by his choice to use steroids - after already being huge naturally - just isn't right."

OK, let me ask you this...remember Ben Johnson? I guess you would say that it was wrong for the IOC to revoke his medals, given he was juicing?

The end does not justify the means.

I think it is pitiful that steroids are somehow accepted as acceptable behavior, especially when there are obviously alot of younger kids on here who are very impressionable.

How's that "bacne", any changes to the "genitalia", sex-drive, etc?

I bet Lyle Alzado used to talk like some of these guys.

"He aint juicing to impress the ladies. He wants to be a pro."

~oh, in that case it's OK....what a joke!

Brad140
05-23-2003, 01:15 PM
AWESOME!Those quads are fickin awesome!!!!!Nice tris delts everything!Arms look 20"+!

Brad140
05-23-2003, 01:19 PM
Oh yea and nice bearded dragon!I wanted to get one of those but instead I got a green iguana named Iggy I will postpics of him,lol.He is over 30 inches he's pretty cool.

fluffy
05-23-2003, 01:35 PM
absolutely killer!!! (you, Dave, not Brad's iguana lol)

you should have a folder of your pre-AS pics that you can point to when people try to belittle your accomplishments by saying you juice

Jedi
05-23-2003, 03:24 PM
killer quads.
awesome.

bigpoppadiesel
05-23-2003, 03:44 PM
dave- ur results look amazing. i was curious if u could tell me wether or not u have eperienced any "roid rage". i was curious b/c most of the kids at school that i knew went on it got very very angry. keep up the good work and hope u get better man.

05-23-2003, 05:23 PM
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bigpoppadiesel said:
dave- ur results look amazing. i was curious if u could tell me wether or not u have eperienced any "roid rage". i was curious b/c most of the kids at school that i knew went on it got very very angry. keep up the good work and hope u get better man.

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personally im getting the opposite, testosterone your doc can prescribe to your for depression, if that gives you an idea on how it can make you feel. it all depends though on the person, the substance '(S), and the dose. im mostly on just forms of test and deca, aggression isnt too common with those so no I feel real happy if aything, on the other hand, my X friend was on reforvit B average dose, which is in the class of aa 17's, much more toxic, much more side effects, and much more chance of roid rage, on top of that he had borderlien personality and often was a dick head anyway. he had the worse case of roid rage I have ever heard of, very bad, but someone like him isnt responsible enough to take gear, its like the saying guns dont kill people, people kill people. anyone real with them self should know what they can and cannot handle, and that x friend of mine lost a lot of his friends with as bad as he got.

renob
05-23-2003, 07:36 PM
some people seriously have to learn the uses of roids. Just because he uses them does not mean that he didnt have to work for his gains. it doesnt mean he doesn't work 2x harder than you. it doesn't mean he wasnt GIGANTIC before he started using them. AAS can have a very positive effect on people when takin in the right doses and cycles.

Dave i totally respect you, and you are looking TREMENDOUS !!!!! good luck with your BB bro, you'll be a pro soon!

thunderpunch
05-23-2003, 09:22 PM
Dave how did you get such cut quads without squatting. You da man.

puma87
05-24-2003, 03:20 AM
i may be young (15)...but if you're only 19 why is everyone saying you've worked so hard and can take roids as some sort of reward? you're still growing, not a mature BB!!

ssobol987
05-24-2003, 03:21 AM
puma... its his decision.

puma87
05-24-2003, 03:29 AM
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ssobol987 said:
puma... its his decision.

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sure...just giving my 2 cents!

thunderpunch
05-24-2003, 12:34 PM
I thought he was older than 19 /forum/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Omskakas
05-24-2003, 01:29 PM
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renob said:
some people seriously have to learn the uses of roids. Just because he uses them does not mean that he didnt have to work for his gains. it doesnt mean he doesn't work 2x harder than you. it doesn't mean he wasnt GIGANTIC before he started using them. AAS can have a very positive effect on people when takin in the right doses and cycles.

Dave i totally respect you, and you are looking TREMENDOUS !!!!! good luck with your BB bro, you'll be a pro soon!

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Let's not turn these forums positive towards steroid use. My opinion about 'roid users is same as fake boobs: they might look good but they are still fake. Not to mention that's not illegal to get breast implants...

realjones
05-24-2003, 02:13 PM
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******68 said:
OK, let me ask you this...remember Ben Johnson? I guess you would say that it was wrong for the IOC to revoke his medals, given he was juicing?

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i don't really see what an olympian has to do with a wanna be pro bodybuilder, but Johnson was caught using a banned substance and got what was coming to him. Steroids are banned by the IOC, and you don't have to juice to make it to the Olympics. However, if you wanna get a pro card in the IFBB, you have to juice. Big difference. I'm not saying juicing is right, just that it is an unfortunate requirement to get in the IFBB.

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I think it is pitiful that steroids are somehow accepted as acceptable behavior, especially when there are obviously alot of younger kids on here who are very impressionable.

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I accept Dave's use because he wants to be a pro and is doing what is necessary to make it there. I hope Dave's choice to go for pro and use AS does not come back to bite him in the *** later in life. Otherwise, i agree with you in that there is no reason to use them if you ever plan on competing.

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I bet Lyle Alzado used to talk like some of these guys.

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Alzado was a steroid addicted freak who abused and overdosed on the drug for decades. Steroids can still be dangerous even when taken in proper dosages (as yu pointed out in an earlier post, many pros have had surgery that can probably be linked to their steroid usage), but what happened to lyle was probably moreso a result of overdosing and using for such a long period of time than usage in itself.

I think you misunderstood the other poster. He's not saying it's ok, he is saying that Dave is only juicing because it is necessary in order to reach the next level, ie, not for trivial reasons.

CheezitMan22
05-24-2003, 02:35 PM
holy [*%#*%*#]! you look AMAZING bro!!nice job!!!definately see good progress from just a few months ago!!****nnnn!

i wish i looked like that!what does AAS stand for?i know AS is anabolic steroids, but whats the extra A?

and I dont think i would use roids, simply because im never gonna really get into the sport that much, know what i mean?dont really wanna get that huge and compete that badly...but yeah, if youre in the sport, and are using them properly, they are probably a huge help!

we'll see where my bodybuilding "career" goes /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

but great job man!

k.e.n
05-24-2003, 03:20 PM
Poster: Omskakas
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Let's not turn these forums positive towards steroid use. My opinion about 'roid users is same as fake boobs: they might look good but they are still fake. Not to mention that's not illegal to get breast implants...

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LOL.....and ditto that. /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

junfan68
05-24-2003, 05:33 PM
I guess the bigger question is why would you want to get a pro-card if you know you have to juice?

Maybe he needs to examine his motives.

05-24-2003, 08:23 PM
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puma87 said:
i may be young (15)...but if you're only 19 why is everyone saying you've worked so hard and can take roids as some sort of reward? you're still growing, not a mature BB!!

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well first off im 20 and didnt start until I turned 20, most pros start aroung age 16-18 from my research, arnold started very young lee priest admits he was 18 when he started. Im not a mature bodybuilder? physically and mentally I think I am, my pictures shoudl prove, that Ive been training off/on for over 5 years now and resrching seriously on AAS for 2 years before i even started...

and what are you talking about reward... I started AAS because I hit my natural genetic peak, i went 3 months with intense training with 0 gains in any area, all I did was take my bodybuilding to the next level.

and last im curious how many of you with such negitive feedback and those so non suportiive of me, how much have you actually spent researcing on steroids? I think if your going to have a debate over something you need a bit of knowledge on the subject, like myself.

Omskakas
05-25-2003, 08:58 AM
AAS is just the place I draw the line in this sport. I doubt that you would ever inject synthol in your muscles, so consider that you wouldn't cross that line. I've read many articles about pros and cons of steroids and even potential danger is enough for me to avoid them. They are illegal for reason IMO.

junfan68
05-25-2003, 10:59 AM
OK, I did some research....

AAS are illegal.

Your turn.

renob
05-25-2003, 11:31 AM
all IFBB pros use roids. thats what he wants to be.

it doesn't matter if you support him using them / are pro - steroid. thats not what hes asking. hes asking about his pics. personally i think he looks MASSIVE, and did before he started juicing.

its not your decision, its his. and he wants to become pro, and in order to do that, you need to be juicing. he took it to the next level

Barlow
05-25-2003, 12:58 PM
great work mate, nice to see u postin again /forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
negetive comments dont help anyone exept get me and lots of others annoyed when i have to read through 5 pages wen if u take out the rubish it could have been 3, let try and keep it positive ehh?

Ive got a question for u dave, if you was to stop takin the AAS but keep training what would happen (regarding gains)

05-25-2003, 03:51 PM
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Barlow said:
Ive got a question for u dave, if you was to stop takin the AAS but keep training what would happen (regarding gains)

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I would probably go back to my natural look before I started... within 5 months

05-25-2003, 03:55 PM
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Omskakas said:
AAS is just the place I draw the line in this sport. I doubt that you would ever inject synthol in your muscles, so consider that you wouldn't cross that line. I've read many articles about pros and cons of steroids and even potential danger is enough for me to avoid them. They are illegal for reason IMO.

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they arent illegal, they are controled substances so is motrin 800. thier is benefits to them, thier is safe ways around them, you have done no research i can tell, u just make assumptions, all people talk aobut what they "can" do but know one knows why or what it takes, YOU CAN AVOID NEGETIVE SIDE EFFECTS. IMO taking creatine, pro hormones, and even glutamine, is no different, your still taking a substance to help your gains. if your comeback is going to be creatine is naturally produced in the body, so is testosterone.

05-25-2003, 03:58 PM
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k.e.n said:
Poster: Omskakas
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Let's not turn these forums positive towards steroid use. My opinion about 'roid users is same as fake boobs: they might look good but they are still fake. Not to mention that's not illegal to get breast implants...

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LOL.....and ditto that. /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

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thats because you dont know what yoru talking aobut, the 2 done compare, maybe calve IMPLANTS compare. u get fake ****, all do is spend $ and the next day they are their, you can spend twice as much as implants on AAS, then sit on your *** and see what happens... Nothing, you have to work hard, and if anythign harder then those naturally, since you are recovering faster and food intake requirements are higher

k.e.n
05-25-2003, 05:33 PM
Just to clarify, I wasn't agreeing with Omskakas on the fake boob thing, lol, but I was agreeing with him about not turning this into a pro steroid thread.

I think it's funny how if someone posts an AS question in the nutrition section they get beaten down and flamed but the same people who are doing the flaming turn around and praise others for their accomplishments when "using" AS. /forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

On the other hand, Dave wanted comments on his physique, not the AS use. So keep the comments relevant. If you want to do steroids, DO THEM, if you don't, DON'T DO THEM, it's as simple as that. I don't think people should be flamed either way. It's a personal choice even if some of us, including myself, think the risks outway the benefits. /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

renob
05-25-2003, 05:44 PM
i agree with dave, and good work bro! your massive! you'll make it pro in no time

CheezitMan22
05-25-2003, 06:19 PM
**** you guys need to relax lol...it was his desicion, and he already decided. i dont think a few people who dont seem to know what they are talking about would really help him get off roids.

if he wants to make bodybuilding a profession, then he has to take roids. but in all honesty, i dont think you reached ur genetic peak dave. i think you couldve gone longer, but it wouldve been harder to make gains. LAM said that once you have trained for a while, you only gain like 5 lbs a year. but you still gain.

i just think that genetics is an excuse. but yeah, hes kind of got to use roids if hes gonna be a Pro. anyways, best of luck to you man...hope to see u on the stage one day...just remember heen lol...and that uhh...when u become a pro,i want your autograph.peace

POWERHOUSE_MAX
05-25-2003, 11:34 PM
Hey man, in your gym rats pics there's a guy called Adam? How big is he? His height and weight? How old is he? Also what do your chest and thighs measure man?

05-26-2003, 12:38 AM
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k.e.n said:
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On the other hand, Dave wanted comments on his physique, not the AS use. So keep the comments relevant. If you want to do steroids, DO THEM, if you don't, DON'T DO THEM, it's as simple as that. I don't think people should be flamed either way. It's a personal choice...

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EXACTLY. Nice post. Let's keep the AS comments out of this. Steriods are SUCH a controversial issue with strong feelings for both sides that inevitably it starts getting out of hand, the flaming starts and runs rampant. And of course if that happens, you all know this entire thread will be gone. So PLEASE refrain from making AS comments and ONLY comment on his PHYSIQUE. (After all, most of you comment on the Pro BB physiques all the time and we all know they use). And it's not fair to Dave if I have to delete his picture thread cause people can't refrain from making AS comments. So please keep it clean and relevant to the topic, thank you. /forum/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Omskakas
05-26-2003, 06:08 AM
Yes, there is no reason to continue this debate about AAS. We have different goals, different means and different opinions about them. And as Krypto said this is a wrong place to question them.

05-26-2003, 03:07 PM
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POWERHOUSE_MAX said:
Hey man, in your gym rats pics there's a guy called Adam? How big is he? His height and weight? How old is he? Also what do your chest and thighs measure man?

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Adam, well we arent friends now, hes too close minded, yet i wont discredit him. hes about 6"1 265. lots of strength mainly, considerings himself a bber but bf has never been low, and IMO hes a powerlifter, only cares about strength. on the other hand my chest, is about 50" with no pump, im not about to do push ups too see what htat changest too /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif, and legs arent big in the least long skinny and cut.. barley hitting 27" with a pump.

dekkajay02
05-27-2003, 02:02 AM
you're a beast

bloodhound248
05-31-2003, 12:44 AM
Your life, you can take whatever you want to take.

Your huge /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

tkench2002
05-31-2003, 02:56 AM
I hate to tell ya ******68 its a free world and people make there own choices andalso make there own destinies, i dont use steroids and i always seem to get acne not major but i always get acne on my shoulders what would the reason for this be high testosterone levels? my sex drive is crazy example 3X a day atleast an hour a time

book
05-31-2003, 06:03 AM
Would i ever be able to look like this, but without juicing? Your so big and ripped its amazing.

renob
05-31-2003, 12:33 PM
its possible, but take a look at his pics from a while ago, back in feb, thats what i wanna look like, he was still frigin huge!

bennyhanna1
06-01-2003, 01:22 AM
your tri's are awesome, actually everything is awesome haha. keep up the great work! im jealous

06-01-2003, 07:31 PM
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lunatic said:
Would i ever be able to look like this, but without juicing? Your so big and ripped its amazing.

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thiers not yes or no answer, but thiers definitly a more then likely answer thats gonna be NO, I have everything else down right now nutrion diet rest and training, on top of all the gear to get how I am, with very good genetics.. you can get a good physique naturally but thier is limiits, and saying you can look like someoen out of flex naturally is just foolish, thats why thier so much hatred for the muscle tech ads.

liontamer
06-02-2003, 02:32 AM
I already posted but I feel obligated to post again. Dave your huge. Your tri's and chest are what impress me the most. You deserve all your success.

Anyways, I feel bad for the fact that everytime that you post pics or post any updates about your progress some losers have to start a steriod debate. Hopefully it won't discourage you with your progress or posting around here.

Tokyo_vice
06-02-2003, 12:10 PM
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CheezitMan22
06-02-2003, 03:25 PM
i think BPP's avatar is a natural guy...hes huge and ripped...its just takes a **** long time staying natural and getting as big as the guy in BPPs avatar is

NickW
06-06-2003, 11:36 AM
Whats your bf% in those pics? Nice abs.

William Ustav
06-06-2003, 04:47 PM
Dave, I just wanna say - you have my ideal body!!! I won't stop until I look like that! (but when I do, I'm probably gonna wanna be even bigger!!! /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif ) I really love your triceps man!!! They are friggin awesome!!! You're my new idol, lol! /forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

kar_cub
06-07-2003, 01:21 PM
great progress in those 3 months

06-28-2003, 09:57 PM
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06-28-2003, 09:59 PM
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Whats your bf% in those pics? Nice abs.

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according to calper 9.5%, i think im more like 12 tho, i was 7% when i got checked into hospitol at 208 also according to skin fold method.

thunderpunch
06-28-2003, 10:08 PM
No real post from me, I just think you rock Dave, keep up the good work!

bam311food
06-28-2003, 10:41 PM
Dave, dont listen to that guy.

Your 100% right about the methods of natural bodybuilders. If this guy was all natty and has been on stage, then he would know how it all really goes down.

As far as the pics. Everyone needs to keep in mind that its the body of a 20 year old. I've never seen you in person, but it looks like you have a great make-up. The fact that you could do damage at smaller shows at your age leads me to believe that by the time your 25 or 26 you could easily be in the pro ranks.

How tall are you?

renob
06-28-2003, 10:47 PM
how did u get such huge legs without squatting??? and why dont you squat?

bennyhanna1
06-29-2003, 12:34 AM
^^ thats what i'd like to know, those legs are incredible!

pal
06-29-2003, 05:34 AM
did't he say he had a knee prob or something like that? well your HUGE.. and thats what matters.. good mass and ripped man... nice!

brock
06-29-2003, 08:59 AM
all i can say is i want to get as big as dave was when he was natrual. i mean he was huge. i would love to get that big. i know it will take time and things but that is for sure my goal.

06-30-2003, 03:19 AM
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bam311food said:
Dave, dont listen to that guy.

Your 100% right about the methods of natural bodybuilders. If this guy was all natty and has been on stage, then he would know how it all really goes down.

As far as the pics. Everyone needs to keep in mind that its the body of a 20 year old. I've never seen you in person, but it looks like you have a great make-up. The fact that you could do damage at smaller shows at your age leads me to believe that by the time your 25 or 26 you could easily be in the pro ranks.

How tall are you?

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thanks man and im 5'9 not sure of weight in those pics i have a Fatter pic of me now since ive been hospitolized last month I gained 22lbs went from about 7%2 208 to 230lbs here all i have been doing no gear or supps or anything eating fast food laying in bed on pain meds i lost a ton of strength this pic is like 3 days old, standing out side (http://www.imagestation.com/mypictures/inbox/view.html?id=4225147569&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.image station.com%2Fpicture%2Fsraid67%2Fp199a8465cd82a63 c2e69b9eb6019e56a%2Ffbd6a2b1.jpg&caption=standing% 20front)
and heres a side chest dumb face had to cover up
here (http://www.imagestation.com/mypictures/inbox/view.html?id=4225147574&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.image station.com%2Fpicture%2Fsraid67%2Fp89f45e96db84227 bc00c6144c837f00c%2Ffbd6a2b6.jpg&caption=side%20ch est)

06-30-2003, 03:21 AM
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renob said:
how did u get such huge legs without squatting??? and why dont you squat?

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i never have been able to squat dl or do anythign with lower back, my leg workout is 5 sets extenstions 5 sets curls, then will do 5 sets something random for calves.. its only exercies I can get away with doing.. My legs are small I just have good definition as far as muscle seperation goes.

diamondtim
07-01-2003, 09:15 AM
Someday when I grow up I'm going to look like that!! well maybe not that good. but I can dream

akufadum
07-06-2003, 09:59 AM
Hey, got any back shots?

mocash
07-06-2003, 03:15 PM
man good job .. i give ya big ups for real and u make me look like [*%#*%*#] hahaha

07-06-2003, 03:54 PM
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Hey, got any back shots?

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honestly ive just done poses I look best in... Im going to do a rear double bicep and some lat spreads.

sickbikes
07-06-2003, 07:25 PM
Dude! Where did you get all those pics of me!J/K Lookin awesome bro-keep it up!

07-07-2003, 10:42 AM
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did't he say he had a knee prob or something like that? well your HUGE.. and thats what matters.. good mass and ripped man... nice!

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I have multiple problems just speaking in terms of whats holding me back from working legs... tendanitus in inner thighs severly, ankles, and knees. 2 slipped disk overlapped twisted oposite directons 2 curves in my spines alsmot like the shape of a long skinny S from x ray view. disloacated hip, and pretty bad kidney (genetic) problems, run in the family, EVERYONE in my moms side has kidney problems... so yea all i do is leg curls and extension, Im very strong on both lifts tho since its all I can do, I can use 6 45lb plates for a set of 10 on leg extentions and use the stack for leg curls for a decent set as well.

also I will not overcredit myself my legs arent as big as they look im lacking big time on outter quad sweep, and if it was whoel body shot u would be able to tell in comparison they arent symetrical with me since i cannot squat or anything, I did at one time like age 17-young 18 squat, at my best I was doing 385 for 8 reps about, not bad at the tiem being natural and light 180-190lbs bodyweight?

Rewesh
07-07-2003, 11:04 AM
Daaaaaaaaaaammmmmnnnnn
You must have a killer neigbourhood watch!

07-07-2003, 11:29 AM
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Rewesh said:
Daaaaaaaaaaammmmmnnnnn
You must have a killer neigbourhood watch!

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lol thats a unique compliment, but honestly here in deteroit crime is rediculous 2 weeks ago on my block 3 houses got sexual assult during hours of 2-5am. just 20-25yr old black kid would spy in windows knock on doors if a female would answer he would fondle her up grab her genticals and then just run. some [*%#*%*#] perv black kid spying around walking down my little block, if he comes to his house hes in for it.. lol.

PiZ56
07-07-2003, 11:31 AM
just curious. How did you get all of those injuries? Hope you get better

LAM
07-07-2003, 03:01 PM
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DaveB_19 said:
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pal said:
did't he say he had a knee prob or something like that? well your HUGE.. and thats what matters.. good mass and ripped man... nice!

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I have multiple problems just speaking in terms of whats holding me back from working legs... tendanitus in inner thighs severly, ankles, and knees. 2 slipped disk overlapped twisted oposite directons 2 curves in my spines alsmot like the shape of a long skinny S from x ray view. disloacated hip, and pretty bad kidney (genetic) problems, run in the family, EVERYONE in my moms side has kidney problems... so yea all i do is leg curls and extension, Im very strong on both lifts tho since its all I can do, I can use 6 45lb plates for a set of 10 on leg extentions and use the stack for leg curls for a decent set as well.

also I will not overcredit myself my legs arent as big as they look im lacking big time on outter quad sweep, and if it was whoel body shot u would be able to tell in comparison they arent symetrical with me since i cannot squat or anything, I did at one time like age 17-young 18 squat, at my best I was doing 385 for 8 reps about, not bad at the tiem being natural and light 180-190lbs bodyweight?

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just wondering...how do you possible think you are going to develop your legs enough for a heavyweight to win several NPC shows and get your pro-carb by simply doing leg extensions and leg curls ?

07-07-2003, 04:53 PM
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LAM said:
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DaveB_19 said:
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pal said:
did't he say he had a knee prob or something like that? well your HUGE.. and thats what matters.. good mass and ripped man... nice!

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I have multiple problems just speaking in terms of whats holding me back from working legs... tendanitus in inner thighs severly, ankles, and knees. 2 slipped disk overlapped twisted oposite directons 2 curves in my spines alsmot like the shape of a long skinny S from x ray view. disloacated hip, and pretty bad kidney (genetic) problems, run in the family, EVERYONE in my moms side has kidney problems... so yea all i do is leg curls and extension, Im very strong on both lifts tho since its all I can do, I can use 6 45lb plates for a set of 10 on leg extentions and use the stack for leg curls for a decent set as well.

also I will not overcredit myself my legs arent as big as they look im lacking big time on outter quad sweep, and if it was whoel body shot u would be able to tell in comparison they arent symetrical with me since i cannot squat or anything, I did at one time like age 17-young 18 squat, at my best I was doing 385 for 8 reps about, not bad at the tiem being natural and light 180-190lbs bodyweight?

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just wondering...how do you possible think you are going to develop your legs enough for a heavyweight to win several NPC shows and get your pro-carb by simply doing leg extensions and leg curls ?

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just wondering when i ever quote said im goign to get my get my NPC card ect? I said my dream is to compete and its realistic, Prolab was goign to sponser me last year, obviously since im 20, once I get insurance and fix my health problems within the next lets say 10! more realistically a couple but I have a lot of time ahead of me, great genetics, great connections, and the drive to get thier, years then i can get serious, most guys on O stage are late 30s some 40's, its not such a mystery to me, and look at my legs now from what i do, wait until I can squat. Also I find it kind of insulting u say that to me when those are the only 2 exercises i do NOT BY CHOICE, they are what I do because its all i can phscially get away with, besides the exception of calves. and my legs now are up to par to win shows, and are better the majority of competetor in my class.

and last im not 38 i have plenty of time to get healthy enough to put a squat bar on my back, how did i get all my back injurys? they were mostly spontanious accending problems after a bought of year of training in boxing..

If thiers one thing i hate its when u guys put words in my mouth I would to see quote me saying any of this u guys ask me, u twist words up all i ever said about competeing is I want my pro card and im working twards it, this is 100% true.

LAM
07-07-2003, 05:15 PM
it was simply a question.

from the way you stated your current leg training it seemed that you were implying that it was sufficient for your goals, i.e to become a pro. It seemed that you were making light of the actual level of effort that it takes to obtain the caliber of leg development seen in IFBB pros. most of which have a good 15 years in the squat rack..

CoLDTuRKeY
07-07-2003, 06:26 PM
I wouldn't want to see you 2 in a fight... Cities would crumble before the chaos of that spectacle.
LAM is a karate master and is huge. But Dave is also huge and is one balsy mofo. Christ he gave himself a surgical operation on his ear...

07-07-2003, 09:55 PM
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CoLDTuRKeY15 said:
I wouldn't want to see you 2 in a fight... Cities would crumble before the chaos of that spectacle.
LAM is a karate master and is huge. But Dave is also huge and is one balsy mofo. Christ he gave himself a surgical operation on his ear...

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lol.. I dont think you will ever see it

Twellons
07-07-2003, 10:22 PM
**** B .... That one pic of you in your room , is almost exactly what I'm striving for ..... Only not quite as large as you .... Man Great definiteion and mass ...


Keep it up bro ... and I'm really sorry to hear about the kidney issue man ... I hope you can figure it out soon

CoLDTuRKeY
07-08-2003, 01:13 AM
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DaveB_19 said:
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CoLDTuRKeY15 said:
I wouldn't want to see you 2 in a fight... Cities would crumble before the chaos of that spectacle.
LAM is a karate master and is huge. But Dave is also huge and is one balsy mofo. Christ he gave himself a surgical operation on his ear...

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lol.. I dont think you will ever see it

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Haha I know man. Everyones freinds here. You are a beast bro congrats on the progress. Sweet tats and peircings too.

07-08-2003, 02:47 AM
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Twellons said:
**** B .... That one pic of you in your room , is almost exactly what I'm striving for ..... Only not quite as large as you .... Man Great definiteion and mass ...


Keep it up bro ... and I'm really sorry to hear about the kidney issue man ... I hope you can figure it out soon

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that sucks cuz i was unpumped maybe 9.5 thier.. i was tested skinfold 7% the 8th when i got checked into hospitol wish i had a better pic to show off.

madUSMC
07-08-2003, 04:26 AM
dave....you're amazing....i know i've said stuff about you using 'roids' before but i was probably jealous....because you obviously work hard, know what you're doing, have an awesome physique, and definantly have what it takes to be pro...awesome

Rewesh
07-08-2003, 08:51 AM
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DaveB_19 said:
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Rewesh said:
Daaaaaaaaaaammmmmnnnnn
You must have a killer neigbourhood watch!

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lol thats a unique compliment, but honestly here in deteroit crime is rediculous 2 weeks ago on my block 3 houses got sexual assult during hours of 2-5am. just 20-25yr old black kid would spy in windows knock on doors if a female would answer he would fondle her up grab her genticals and then just run. some [*%#*%*#] perv black kid spying around walking down my little block, if he comes to his house hes in for it.. lol.

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Time to get you some black spandex and a special weapon.......say...a 200lb barbell? /forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

07-08-2003, 06:55 PM
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Rewesh said:
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DaveB_19 said:
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Rewesh said:
Daaaaaaaaaaammmmmnnnnn
You must have a killer neigbourhood watch!

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lol thats a unique compliment, but honestly here in deteroit crime is rediculous 2 weeks ago on my block 3 houses got sexual assult during hours of 2-5am. just 20-25yr old black kid would spy in windows knock on doors if a female would answer he would fondle her up grab her genticals and then just run. some [*%#*%*#] perv black kid spying around walking down my little block, if he comes to his house hes in for it.. lol.

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Time to get you some black spandex and a special weapon.......say...a 200lb barbell? /forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

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haha, yea this creep has left the neighboorhood for now nothings happened past week.

07-10-2003, 10:31 PM
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madUSMC said:
dave....you're amazing....i know i've said stuff about you using 'roids' before but i was probably jealous....because you obviously work hard, know what you're doing, have an awesome physique, and definantly have what it takes to be pro...awesome

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****, I dont understand what changed your opinion of me so dramatically, or maybe your just more open to gear?

ThePunisher
07-13-2003, 04:59 PM
How did you get so many free supplements?

07-13-2003, 10:43 PM
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irandall16 said:
How did you get so many free supplements?

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I get asked that more on here then any other question... connections?

William Ustav
07-17-2003, 01:42 PM
Hey Dave, that new side chest pic is great! You have really huge massive arms... what's your routine for biceps and triceps?

SteveO
07-17-2003, 03:25 PM
this has probably been asked already, sorry for repeating it - but how long have u been working out?

you look amazing, good job

07-22-2003, 02:41 AM
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SteveO said:
this has probably been asked already, sorry for repeating it - but how long have u been working out?

you look amazing, good job

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I started at age 15 got into powerlifting, stoped around 17 for 18 months until a few weeks after a I turned 19, so consitily since then and im 20 now and will be 21 december 14th.

thanks for the compliments.

Elmo9286
07-22-2003, 09:44 AM
2 years of lifting and your that huge? **** your genetics i want them!

evets180
07-26-2003, 09:34 PM
First of all....You look awesome. I was wondering if you'd be interested in a creating an informative write-up about your experience on steroids. It seems as though you've had a lot of success with whatever you have been taking. I love ABC but I have yet to find a decent post that is not completely bombarded and shotdown by all those you are Anti-juice. I know that most members here are all natural but I find it annoying when they come down so hard on others who aren't. I'm really not considering taking steroids but I'm still curious and I feel that it would be very beneficial to other members of this site. Anyway, just a thought...

screwnamez
07-28-2003, 07:15 AM
do a search on Dave's threads, he's already made a few really good posts on the subject.

07-30-2003, 03:42 PM
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evets180 said:
First of all....You look awesome. I was wondering if you'd be interested in a creating an informative write-up about your experience on steroids. It seems as though you've had a lot of success with whatever you have been taking. I love ABC but I have yet to find a decent post that is not completely bombarded and shotdown by all those you are Anti-juice. I know that most members here are all natural but I find it annoying when they come down so hard on others who aren't. I'm really not considering taking steroids but I'm still curious and I feel that it would be very beneficial to other members of this site. Anyway, just a thought...

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I have done this once before I made it really detailed an honbest so dont want to type it out again, its kind of outdated but my pics from this thread its not. just do a search i tried to type "cycle history" and couldnt find anything.. I thought thats what I named the subject not sure now. I would list my upcomming cycle for the week but I would get bashed for sure.