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Adam Knowlden
12-11-2002, 12:47 AM
The Centerpiece of Christmas

"Unwrapping the Christmas Gift"

This is a special prophecy post! One set for the season. Christmas is almost here! Time flies huh! Well, as we draw closer to Christmas the evidence of its coming is all around us. Christmas lights decorate houses and stores, Santa Clauses are light up on every corner, Christmas decorations are everywhere, wreathes adorn walls and streets, Christmas carols are heard on the radio and TV, and all the many other awesome things that accompany Christmas let us know 'tis the season.

I love all that stuff too. It's a time for family and friends. But let's not forget the real reason for the season, the best gift that God gave us that holy night over 2000 years ago; the giving of His Son, to lay down his life for us. All most everyone knows of the birth of Jesus, but I am going to attempt to break it down so that you can see exactly what this gift means to us. The Christmas story doesn't stop at the manger, in fact it just begins there!

What's in a name?

1. Names are very important to God. (Gen. 1:5, 8, 10)

God called the light "day" and the darkness "night", he didn't just say, "there it is", He gave the morning and night their names!

God called the expanse "sky", and dry ground "land", and gathered waters "seas".

Adam's first job was naming all the animals.

2. Names often relate to some aspect of ones birth.

Isaac = Laughing (Gen. 18:9-15:21:1-8)
Moses = Drawn Out (Gen. 27:36)
Jabez = Sorrow (I Chron. 4:9-10)
Jacob = Deceiver (Gen. 27:36) Sorry bro! I couldn't resist! Of course this doesn't represent the man we all know and love! Heck my name essentially means "Dirt" so don't feel bad! LOL!

3. Names often relate the aspect of one's character.

For example, Alexander the Great, William the conqueror, Simon the Zealot, John the Baptist, Ace Ventura "Pet Detective"(Ok, that was bad humor), but you get the point. Names of great people always relate to their character!

A newspaper ad read:

Lost one dog, brown hair with several bald spots. Right leg broken due to auto accident. Left hip hurt. Right eye missing. Left ear bitten off in dog fight. Answers to the name "Lucky".

Now onto the most important name...

Jesus = Jehovah Saves (Matt. 1:21)

"And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."
Detailing the Gift.
Isaiah 9:6

<font color="red">"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this."
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This prophecy was given to Isaiah around 700 years before Jesus' birth. Just imagine the grand vision he saw! He put it into words that give us hope of an eternal king who wants to be Lord of our life! Not to shove us around with "thou shall" and "thou shall not" but to be a best friend, one who will stick closer than a brother. A God who can create a whole universe with a whim of his will, yet Love enough to care about every minute detail in your life! What a Christmas Gift indeed!

Isaiah begins by telling us "unto us a child is born, unto us a child is given." One speaks of the humanity of Jesus ("a child is given") while one speaks of a Deity of Jesus ("a son is given"). One tells He is the Son of Man, the other tells us He is the Son of God. One tells us of His earthly beginning, the other tells of His Eternal Being. One tells us He is the Babe in Bethlehem; the other tells He is the Glory of God. As a child, He was born to live with us, as a Son He was given to die for us.

1. This is the child that will gladden!

There is truth in His name. He is our "Wonderful Counselor"

Jesus offers us no confusion. As our counselor He is always available. As our counselor he always comforts us, enables us, and guides us in the right way.

Jesus doesn't give opinions, He gives truth!

<font color="blue"> Is. 28:29

This also cometh forth from the LORD of hosts, which is wonderful in counsel, and excellent in working.

I Cor. 1:24
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

John 14:6
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Matt. 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
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2. There is wealth in His name and no chaos. He is the "Mighty God". Jesus has been given all power in heaven and earth.

<font color="blue"> Matt. 28:18

"And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." </font color>

He created it all! No doubt of that in my mind! Check out this cool fact!

The molecules in one drop of water, if they became grains of sand, could build a hi-way ½ mile wide, one foot thick, from New York to San Diego.

God hold the universe together by his sheer power. We can stare up into the night sky at night and stand in awe of the vastness of the Universe. If we could "see" the vastness of God, the universe would look like one of those molecules of water. His power, wisdom, and counseling are omnipotent. Yet with all that power, He gave Himself, to die for us, so that we could live forever with Him, in communion for all eternity, as Co-heirs to Christ's kingdom.

3. There is acceptance in His name. "Everlasting Father" and no condemnation. Father in Hebrew means "source" and Jesus is the Father(source) of eternal life and the only one who can give it.

If you know Jesus you know the Father...

<font color="blue"> John 14:7-11

"8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake."

John 1:1-13

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made...

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. </font color>

He is the Father of the fatherless, we are all Children of God.

<font color="green"> Ps. 68:5

5 A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.

6 God setteth the solitary in families: he bringeth out those which are bound with chains: but the rebellious dwell in a dry land.
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4. There is completion in his name, "the Prince of Peace", and no conflict.

He is the only one that can bring peace to your life. Now, I don't mean a peace from violence, although someday He will bring that. Jesus said the peace he brings is not of this world. It's a peace with God, that you have when Jesus lives in your heart, and the Holy Spirit guides your Life. It's the peace the bible calls the peace that passes understanding that only a relationship with God can bring.

<font color="red"> John 14:27

27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.
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However, there will come a day, that He will come again, you bet. Not in humbleness like the first time, but in Glory as King of the earth. And that will be the fulfillment of Him being the Prince of Peace...

<font color="green">Isa. 2:4

4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
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5. We live with the promise that one day, he will be the Lord that will govern, and the government will "rest upon His shoulders".

It will be a universal government

<font color="red">Zech. 14:9

9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

And a un-ending government

Dan. 2:44

And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
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Why did it happen? Why did the infinite become an infant? Why was it necessary that the child who was born be the Son that was given? Why was it necessary that eternal Deity become part of earthly humanity?

Well, I think the famous Apologist Calvin Beisner sums it up best:

<font color="purple"> "Because our sins are against a God of infinite holiness, they are of infinite consequence. So the proper punishment for them is infinite. We are finite, so we can't experience infinite punishment in a finite period of time; it takes eternity for us to experience infinite punishment. God planned for someone to bear our punishment as our substitute but however would do it would have to be capable of bearing infinite punishment of an infinite amount of time. That's why the substitute had to be Himself. That's why the Son of God became a man, so that a man He could properly represent those for whom He died. And, as God, His payment could be infinite, and that's to satisfy the justice of God's infinite holiness"
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Man! And what a gift too! As you see Christmas did not stop at the manger! Everyday is Christmas for a Christian! God gave us direct access to Him on that Holy night, and that is the greatest Gift of all!

<font color="red"> "Lo, I am with you always, even until the end of the ages"
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<font color="red">Merry Christmas! </font color>

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Adam Knowlden
12-11-2002, 01:54 AM
Thanks Krypto!

And Merry <font color="red">Christ</font color>mas!

coolrock
12-11-2002, 04:13 AM
This post really reached down deep inside Old School. God has truly given you a special gift. I would just like to say thankyou for making my day. And also getting my Christmas off on the right foot. Looking at the one who is responsible for it /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Himo_VZ
12-11-2002, 05:04 AM
I used to be hot for God but after my mother died last year the wheels kind of fell off of the bike. I'd like to get back into it but the commitments gone...

Venom
12-11-2002, 05:22 AM
Matthew 5:3-12
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

Matthew 11: 1 - 30
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Go to God in your remorseful times. He will comfort you, for he cares for you. Put your troubles on his shoulders; they're wide enough.

Its in these times of remorse that God strengthens us most. As Paul says, "for when I am weak, then am I strong!" If you lean on Gods strength as a little child you will find true strength. He will comfort and support you, and lead you in the path you need to go.

But God is talking to you, and as the Holy Ghost says, "harden not your heart when you hear his voice" don't delay in finding your strength in the Lord, each day you delay your heart hardens. So take that next step and get back on the path! /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

xavior
12-11-2002, 05:26 AM
Astonishing Old School /forum/images/graemlins/shocked.gif You again made a wonderful post. Christ is the reason for season!

Venom
12-11-2002, 05:29 AM
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What more motivation do you need than knowing God is with you!

And remember, no matter what tuff times you are going through, you can do all things through Christ. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Himo_VZ
12-11-2002, 05:37 AM
i want him to talk to me...
like so many people say they talk to God...
I always prayed that just once he'd say like one little word to me, like even a stupid word, but nothing, and like it just feels all in vain, like when i pray, i get no response, feel no better, just feel like ive wasted a few minutes, simply to fall back into my bad tracks the day after.

Venom
12-11-2002, 06:00 AM
If you are referring to visions or miracles, they have happened to my entire family and myself.

But that is not even close to what has drove me to have faith in Christ, or to strive after him. It's the every day walk!

Literally I have experienced a personal walk with Christ. Its about staying on the right path, what you want to look for is the constant moving forward.

James 4:1-10
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

You need to know what your goal is in following the Lord. Is it to please yourself? Or to please God?

Psalms 32:7-11
8 I will instruct thee and teach thee in the way which thou shalt go: I will guide thee with mine eye.

I can say that he has done this to my life. He has guided the path I should go and lead me their.

God has a perfect will for our lives. In that will he gives us people and words to help us.

For example, when I was born my mother was dying on the seen. And the doctors basically gave up on her, because she was done. But it was then when the Lord came through! Than she saw Jesus a far off giving her the peace of God that passes all understanding. And because of his grace my mother was saved, and able to teach and instruct me.

But this does not happen by mistake, take example from this:

Acts 19:13-20
13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth. 14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so. 15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye? 16 And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. 17 And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified. 18 And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds. 19 Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver. 20 So mightily grew the word of God and prevailed.

These guys were torn apart! Why? Because they hadn't built them selves up in Christ. They were rookies, beginners so this demon treated them like it. But if you notice he recognized Paul and his authority in Christ.

So stay straight on the path and don't waver left or right. If you do this you will see God work in your life a marvelous work! Not one single doubt in my mind. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

William Ustav
12-11-2002, 07:05 AM
Great post. God Bless you, and Merry Christmas!!! I love this season.

12-11-2002, 10:33 AM
<blockquote><font class="small">Posted by: Himo_VZ:</font><hr> i want him to talk to me...
like so many people say they talk to God...
I always prayed that just once he'd say like one little word to me, like even a stupid word, but nothing, and like it just feels all in vain, like when i pray, i get no response, feel no better, just feel like ive wasted a few minutes, simply to fall back into my bad tracks the day after. <hr /></blockquote>

Himo,

You're position is completlely understandable, and totally human. You hurt. Mourning is normal, being angry with God is normal, questioning your beliefs and where you fgo now is normal. Many ancient Christians referred to this as their "desert experience."

It's OK to take time out. The fact that you'd like to get back "into synch" but find things empty is a good sign: you're searching for Reality, and asking for a Real God, not just the God of happy faces singing skip-around-the-church songs and uttering platitudes and cliches. Now is the time that real growth can take place.

I hurt for you, I do. I've been there. I'm there again, as I watch my dad die from cancer. I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers. As you get a chance, attend a service hewre or there. in fact, attend different services: if you were Baptist, try the catholics; if you were anglican, try the charismatics. Why? Becasue in your search for God, different venues will immediately strike you as right or wrong, and it will help you clarify your own thoughts and order your steps.

The worse thing you can do is nothing. Fear paralyzes. Inaction Paralyzes. Depression paralyzes. Anger paralyzes. And they all feed on each other.

Peace, bro -

Adam Knowlden
12-11-2002, 12:16 PM
I know how hard it is to lose a loved one.

The greatest gift my grandfather gave me was letting me know he knew Christ before he died.

I know that I will see him again, but the next time we'll never part.

Well, the thing is God doesn't work by people demanding supernatural things from Him. He works by faith. Start walking with Him and you will see miracles happen in your life. But if you have no faith and tell God "show me a sign" you won't get it. Satan tempted Jesus like this. "Turn these stones into bread", "jump off the temple", He demanded that Jesus test his faith in God through supernatural events. But Jesus said, "Do not tempt teh Lord your God". He works by faith, not to prove to people He exists. First have faith, and you will get proof in your life.

Barke
12-11-2002, 01:40 PM
Great post!

HarleyChick
12-11-2002, 05:21 PM
Once again, a great job, Old School!

Adam Knowlden
12-11-2002, 05:23 PM
Thanks guys!

Prophecy 1.

<font color="red"> 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
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This is the first prophecy we hear of that is fortells the promise of a coming Messiah that will take the blame for Adam's sin.

"I will put enmity between thee and the woman and between thy seed and her seed..."

Referring to the fact that a woman will bear a child that will defeat Satan.

"it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel"

Jesus will crush the devil under His foot, but Satan will bruise his heel, referring to the ultimate sacrifice of God...Jesus' death on the cross.

Satan's defeat will happen on calvary after the nails are driven into Jesus' feet. So in essence the nails Satan put in Jesus feet, attempting to kill Jesus, are really the same nails that have put him under the Lord's foot.

Prophecy 2.

Gen. 12:3

<font color="green"> "...and in thee(talking to Abraham) shall all families of the earth be blessed." </font color>

This predicted that Abraham's family tree would be the line that brought about Jesus, and so all the earth will be blessed because of his line.

Prophecy 3.

Gen. 49:10

<font color="green"> "10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be." </font color>

Luke 1:31-33

<font color="red">31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
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Prophecy 4.

Deut. 18:15

<font color="red">18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
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John 1:45

<font color="green"> 45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

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Prophecy 5.

2 Sam. 7:16<font color="green"> 16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
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Rev. 19&amp;21

<font color="red"> 6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
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Prophecy 6. Matt. 1: 18-25

<font color="green"> 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:

25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.
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Isa. 7:14

<font color="red">14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. </font color>

Prophecy 7.

Isa. 42:1

<font color="green"> 1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.

3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
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John 17:4

<font color="red">1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.

8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.

14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.

16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.

26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
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Prophecy 8.

Zech. 9:9

<font color="green">9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ***, and upon a colt the foal of an ***.
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<font color="red"> 4 All this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying,

5 Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ***, and a colt the foal of an ***.

6 And the disciples went, and did as Jesus commanded them,

7 And brought the ***, and the colt, and put on them their clothes, and they set him thereon.

8 And a very great multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down branches from the trees, and strawed them in the way.

9 And the multitudes that went before, and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the Son of David: Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest.

10 And when he was come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, Who is this?

11 And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.

12 And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves,

13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.

14 And the blind and the lame came to him in the temple; and he healed them.

15 And when the chief priests and scribes saw the wonderful things that he did, and the children crying in the temple, and saying, Hosanna to the Son of David; they were sore displeased,

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Prophecy 9.

Psamls 49:9

<font color="green"> 9 Yea, mine own familiar friend(Judas), in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me.
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<font color="red">21 When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.

22 Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake.

23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.

24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.

25 He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?

26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.

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<font color="blue">There are many, many other prophecies of Jesus. And I will go through more later. But I just wanted to relate that the bible is more than just a guide for our lives, but it is essentially about Jesus. From Genesis to Revelation. The Bible is the great hope of mankind! The bible reveals the greatest Christmas gift of all! /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forum/images/graemlins/blush.gif </font color>

greg512
12-11-2002, 09:08 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Posted by: Himo_VZ:</font><hr> i want him to talk to me...
like so many people say they talk to God...
I always prayed that just once he'd say like one little word to me, like even a stupid word, but nothing, and like it just feels all in vain, like when i pray, i get no response, feel no better, just feel like ive wasted a few minutes, simply to fall back into my bad tracks the day after. <hr /></blockquote>


i know what you mean, i have been atheist, agnostic, just about everything, but now i believe in god.
when i was 14, (atheist but questionning) i prayed for a sign of his existance. at first i began to lose faith. but on one of the worst days of my life, he came through for me. i prayed for a sign and got a billboard. i was freezing, i was tired, thirsty, hungry, etc. (parents kicked me out, in case you are wonderring) and a friend's brother(he didn't know me at the time, and that is still the only time i have ever seen or talked to him) saw me walking on the side of the road.he stopped picked me up (all over his car was things like jesus loves you, christian music playing in the cd player, etc.). when i got to their place he talked to me, and told me about how he loved me and hadn't forgotten about me. i had been preached to before by people trying to convince me to go back to the church. i had usually ignored them or just walked off, and i am not sure why(considerring how i was at the time), but i actually listened to this one.today, i am very very glad that i did. even still i am not the most religious person, but my faith is there. he may not talk to you, but others will of his behalf. all without having been told or asked.

President Wilson
12-11-2002, 11:44 PM
[ QUOTE ]
I love all that stuff too. It's a time for family and friends. But let's not forget the real reason for the season, the best gift that God gave us that holy night over 2000 years ago; the giving of His Son, to lay down his life for us. <hr /></blockquote>

That is what it is all about. A time when the whole world was blessed!

[ QUOTE ]
"Lo, I am with you always, even until the end of the ages" <hr /></blockquote>

Definately one of my favorite verses. And extremely powerful! As was your message Old School. In fact, I can think of no message as powerful. Thankyou for the inspiriation, I'll be printing this out!

P.S. Nice note on my name as well, LOL!

Himo_VZ
12-11-2002, 11:47 PM
I admire your faith guys, wish I had it.

President Wilson
12-11-2002, 11:47 PM
<blockquote><font class="small">Posted by: greg512:</font><hr> <blockquote><font class="small">Posted by: Himo_VZ:</font><hr> i want him to talk to me...
like so many people say they talk to God...
I always prayed that just once he'd say like one little word to me, like even a stupid word, but nothing, and like it just feels all in vain, like when i pray, i get no response, feel no better, just feel like ive wasted a few minutes, simply to fall back into my bad tracks the day after. <hr /></blockquote>


i know what you mean, i have been atheist, agnostic, just about everything, but now i believe in god.
when i was 14, (atheist but questionning) i prayed for a sign of his existance. at first i began to lose faith. but on one of the worst days of my life, he came through for me. i prayed for a sign and got a billboard. i was freezing, i was tired, thirsty, hungry, etc. (parents kicked me out, in case you are wonderring) and a friend's brother(he didn't know me at the time, and that is still the only time i have ever seen or talked to him) saw me walking on the side of the road.he stopped picked me up (all over his car was things like jesus loves you, christian music playing in the cd player, etc.). when i got to their place he talked to me, and told me about how he loved me and hadn't forgotten about me. i had been preached to before by people trying to convince me to go back to the church. i had usually ignored them or just walked off, and i am not sure why(considerring how i was at the time), but i actually listened to this one.today, i am very very glad that i did. even still i am not the most religious person, but my faith is there. he may not talk to you, but others will of his behalf. all without having been told or asked. <hr /></blockquote>

I appreciate you sharing that, it made my day Greg! It truly did, thankyou!

RichW
12-11-2002, 11:52 PM
Old School, you ROCK!!!
Man I hope one day I am as strong in the faith as you and can dispense knowledge like you and JW!
This post is awesome!
HIMO, trust me I know how you feel. When I lost my Grandmother a few years back I was the same way. I actually turned from God (not that I was really that close to him at the time) and blamed him. Looking back older and maybe a little wiser (praise the lord for that) I wish I had clung to him instead of pushing him away!

Adam Knowlden
12-12-2002, 01:24 AM
Hey, Himo-VZ!

Here's something you might want to check out... Why is there suffering and pain? (http://www.answersingenesis.org/radio/pdf/deathandsuffering.pdf)

Venom
12-12-2002, 02:33 AM
Excellent testimony Greg, I can really relate with your experiences.

God has come through for me over and over again! I just feel blessed to have the opportunity to commune with him, and praise his worthy name. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Venom
12-12-2002, 02:57 AM
I think this is my favorite prophecy.

Psalms 45: 1 - 171

My heart is inditing a good matter: I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue is the pen of a ready writer. 2 Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever. 3 Gird thy sword upon thy thigh, O most mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty. 4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things. 5 Thine arrows are sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; whereby the people fall under thee. 6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 8 All thy garments smell of myrrh, and aloes, and cassia, out of the ivory palaces, whereby they have made thee glad. 9 Kings' daughters were among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir. 10 Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house; 11 So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty: for he is thy Lord; and worship thou him. 12 And the daughter of Tyre shall be there with a gift; even the rich among the people shall intreat thy favour. 13 The king's daughter is all glorious within: her clothing is of wrought gold. 14 She shall be brought unto the king in raiment of needlework: the virgins her companions that follow her shall be brought unto thee. 15 With gladness and rejoicing shall they be brought: they shall enter into the king's palace. 16 Instead of thy fathers shall be thy children, whom thou mayest make princes in all the earth. 17 I will make thy name to be remembered in all generations: therefore shall the people praise thee for ever and ever.

You can just hear David's overflowing with joy on this! This simply is what its all about, and he saw it and rejoiced!

Paul just does an incredible job of portraying this and much more.

Hebrews 1: 1 - 14
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. 13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Great post old school. And this truly is a glorious season to rejoice over.